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High Definition Video for Independent Filmmakers
A How To Guide for Digital Filmmakers
Welcome all! This is my blog to share my latest research,
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Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Info & reader question about Panasonic AG-HVX200 P2 camera
OK, buncha notes on the hot camera at the show:
-$5995, due November...or early 2006, depending on who you ask. $10K with 2 8 GB cards
the P2 card reader holds 5 P2 cards, costs $2500 without any cards
-AJ-PCD10 is the model #, USB 2.0 interface, faster than realtime data transfer
-see the pics posted for a shot of the UI
-P2 camera is in a box, it's just a mockup
-the only thing running is their 17" HD screen, has "real" controls, probably 720 res
-camera and 2 8GB cards is $10K
-1080i60 is 8 minutes per card
-1080p24 is 20 min/card (????) that doesn't sound right....should be like 10, right? must chug math
-the field drive downloader thing is for acquisition people - pull a card, download the content, then free up the card to put it out in the field
-price point on drive/loader - $1800
-P2 card reader - "cheap for a deck for a broadcast news group" - but expensive for a card reader
A reader wrote in:
Dear Mike
Since you are in NAB I have a question you must ask Panasonic which will clarify much about their new camcorder
On on personal web page (SUNJIN JUKIC ONLINE) with info for the HDVX 200, I noticed on a screen shot from Panasonic video wall presentation the following: 480i, 1080i, 1080p24, 720p60/24
But on the Panasonic press release (again taken from the same web page) I read the following:
On the newly-announced 8G P2 card, the AG-HVX200 records for 32 minutes in DVCPRO or DV, 20 minutes in 720p/24, 16 minutes in DVCPRO50, and eight minutes in 1080i/60 and 720p/60. The camcorder includes two P2 card slots to permit continuous recording, and the cards are hot swappable to assure non-stop recording.
Strangely no mention for recording times for 1080p24.
My guess is that 1080p24 is not real (maybe like Sony cineframe 24) and that the camcorder is in reality a 720p camcorder like the varicam.
We must not forget that only Sony so far has 1080p24 technology on a pro camcorder and it would have been absurd for Panasonic to introduce 108024p on a consumer camera and not on a pro camera.
Another funny thing is that Panasonic claims that DVCPRO50 records more information than DVCPROHD720p24 derived from their recording time quotations (16min compared to 20 min).
Keep on with the excellent job you are doing.
Here's what I know so far:
1.) I'm working on getting the skinny,
2.) camera doesn't ship until November so they can change their minds,
3.) actually, that's right about throughput - 720p24 is 5.7 MB/sec DVCPRO HD, DVCPRO 50 is 7 MB/sec. The math works.
OK, I'm back into the fray now...
-$5995, due November...or early 2006, depending on who you ask. $10K with 2 8 GB cards
the P2 card reader holds 5 P2 cards, costs $2500 without any cards
-AJ-PCD10 is the model #, USB 2.0 interface, faster than realtime data transfer
-see the pics posted for a shot of the UI
-P2 camera is in a box, it's just a mockup
-the only thing running is their 17" HD screen, has "real" controls, probably 720 res
-camera and 2 8GB cards is $10K
-1080i60 is 8 minutes per card
-1080p24 is 20 min/card (????) that doesn't sound right....should be like 10, right? must chug math
-the field drive downloader thing is for acquisition people - pull a card, download the content, then free up the card to put it out in the field
-price point on drive/loader - $1800
-P2 card reader - "cheap for a deck for a broadcast news group" - but expensive for a card reader
A reader wrote in:
Dear Mike
Since you are in NAB I have a question you must ask Panasonic which will clarify much about their new camcorder
On on personal web page (SUNJIN JUKIC ONLINE) with info for the HDVX 200, I noticed on a screen shot from Panasonic video wall presentation the following: 480i, 1080i, 1080p24, 720p60/24
But on the Panasonic press release (again taken from the same web page) I read the following:
On the newly-announced 8G P2 card, the AG-HVX200 records for 32 minutes in DVCPRO or DV, 20 minutes in 720p/24, 16 minutes in DVCPRO50, and eight minutes in 1080i/60 and 720p/60. The camcorder includes two P2 card slots to permit continuous recording, and the cards are hot swappable to assure non-stop recording.
Strangely no mention for recording times for 1080p24.
My guess is that 1080p24 is not real (maybe like Sony cineframe 24) and that the camcorder is in reality a 720p camcorder like the varicam.
We must not forget that only Sony so far has 1080p24 technology on a pro camcorder and it would have been absurd for Panasonic to introduce 108024p on a consumer camera and not on a pro camera.
Another funny thing is that Panasonic claims that DVCPRO50 records more information than DVCPROHD720p24 derived from their recording time quotations (16min compared to 20 min).
Keep on with the excellent job you are doing.
Here's what I know so far:
1.) I'm working on getting the skinny,
2.) camera doesn't ship until November so they can change their minds,
3.) actually, that's right about throughput - 720p24 is 5.7 MB/sec DVCPRO HD, DVCPRO 50 is 7 MB/sec. The math works.
OK, I'm back into the fray now...
Comments:
Well, all these numbers are speculatory. But, having said that, the ratio of 8 to 20 minutes sounds suspiciously close to the inverse of 40%. So, absent better information, it would appear this camera gets its 24p from a method similar to the varicam, in that it internally uses a 60p signal (the difference being that it throws away the other frames rather than creating duplicates and recording them to tape as the varicam does). If so, then the end result will be a 40 Mbps 1080@24p signal, rather than the 80 Mbps 3:2 24p@60i I've been hoping for.
Can it record to a Firestore-type device directly in any/all codecs? Or only your inserted cards? I guess having a laptop and portable FW drive to pull files on to in the field is reasonable. Can you mount the cards from the camera, and not the card reader? If so -- remind me again why I need the reader?
All I know is, I want one of these cameras badly!!!
All I know is, I want one of these cameras badly!!!
In 1080 mode the camera will record a 1080/60i stream with a 2:3 or 2:3:3:2 pulldown in the same way the DVX does to achieve it's 24P. In 720mode you will record only the 'active' frames to the P2 card, giving you a 40mb/s datarate at 24P. It is sampling the chips at a true 24rpw, not 60P and throwing away frames.
Focus Enhancements is a "P2 Partner" so it's probably safe to assume we'll see a Firestore device for DVCProHD soon enough. The camera will also be able to dump files directly from the P2 cards to any off the shelf firewire/USB 2.0 drive without the need for a laptop on set.
A card reader could still be handy if you don't have time to stop shooting to dump the files directly from the camera. In that case you would use a card reader hooked into a laptop or computer of somekind.
Hope that helps.
Focus Enhancements is a "P2 Partner" so it's probably safe to assume we'll see a Firestore device for DVCProHD soon enough. The camera will also be able to dump files directly from the P2 cards to any off the shelf firewire/USB 2.0 drive without the need for a laptop on set.
A card reader could still be handy if you don't have time to stop shooting to dump the files directly from the camera. In that case you would use a card reader hooked into a laptop or computer of somekind.
Hope that helps.
Just came from the NAB and saw the camera - it was amazing! HD 24P in a hand-held. Never thought I'd see the day.
Also went to the CineAlta Film Festival at the NAB and saw some amazing movies shot on 24P.
Has anyone seen 'Gone' - www.GoneTheFilm.com? That was at the first CineAlta Film Festival. Amazing film shot on 24 P
Also went to the CineAlta Film Festival at the NAB and saw some amazing movies shot on 24P.
Has anyone seen 'Gone' - www.GoneTheFilm.com? That was at the first CineAlta Film Festival. Amazing film shot on 24 P
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