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Friday, May 20, 2005

BEWARE when trying to get a local copy of the Final Cut upgrade you want-UPDATED MORE 

UPDATED - see bottom for the latest twist

....so after making a pointless trip to the Apple Store only to discover that they had a different upgrade in stock from the one I asked for (they had Final Cut 5 upgrade, I wanted Final Cut Studio Upgrade), basically a more sophisticated thing happened AGAIN a few hours later.

I got an email from a local Apple reseller saying that they had Final Cut Studio in stock. I called and asked specfically for a Final Cut Studio upgrade. Yes, they had that in stock. So I drove down there in rush hour traffic. Once I got there, I discovered that they did indeed have a Final Cut Studio upgrade package, BUT it was the upgrade from Final Cut Pro, not from Production Suite. The guy was very nice and apologetic about it, saying he realized after we hung up and I was on the way that he should have asked to clarify. It was an honest mistake, but still yet another waste of my time.

Beware - there are THREE possible upgrades for Final Cut Pro users!

1.) A straight upgrade from Final Cut Pro version whatever to Final Cut Pro 5 ($399)

2.) An upgrade from Final Cut Pro HD to Final Cut Studio ($699)

3.) An upgrade from Final Cut Production Suite to Final Cut Studio ($499)

(and there's also a Final Cut Express upgrade, but that's another story)

Each one is a different SKU # (package) with a different price. Even though the second vendor had a box that included all of the software I wanted, he couldn't sell it to me at the price I should be paying because his reseller's price for the upgrade from FCP was higher than my retail purchase price for the upgrade from Production Suite.

Be VERY VERY CLEAR when you call and/or ask that you are getting what you wanted, otherwise you're going to pay too much or not get what you wanted.

And get PISSED at wasting an hour TWICE (dammit) because somebody didn't pay attention to what you said and what they had in stock. Well, that's not fair to them - you have to be VERY specific when asking about what you want. I asked for a "Final Cut Studio upgrade" which is imprecise and vague - I SHOULD have asked for "Final Cut Studio upgrade from Production Suite." to be explicitly clear about what it was I needed.

All of this in an effort to avoid Apple's lie - on their website, Final Cut Studio is listed as, and I quote using copy-paste,

"Upgrade from Production Suite
Ships: 1-3 business days"

...and not "we think" or "we hope" or "probably" or "It should" or "if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass a-hoppin'"

I ordered mine on April 25th, they started shipping on Tuesday, and even today is the third business day since they started shipping it, and my order is still listed as "Processing Order" as it has all week. The description for "Processing Order" is given as

Processing Order
In-stock items are processed immediately so that you can begin enjoying your Apple products as soon as possible. Generally, orders can be modified while they are being processed.


....which is incredibly vague and frustrating. Does processing order mean it is in stock? Or that once an item is in stock, orders will be processed immediately? There's no way to know. My order has had this status for 3 days now (starting Tuesday).

I don't have a problem whatsoever with Apple needing time to fulfill backorders. I have a serious problem when they are listing 1-3 day shipping times for new online purchases when outstanding orders have yet to be filled in more than that timeframe. Accurate forecasts would be difficult, but "at least 1-3 days" would be accurate, rather than "1-3 days" which makes it sound like they are sitting around in a warehouse waiting patiently to be shipped by otherwise not-too-busy people.

OK, end of bitch-rant. Woops, not quite, it's Dell's turn next....

As long as I'm cranky and bitching, this reminds me of the situation I have with a 23" Dell 1920x1200 LCD (the 2405 model) that I ordered for $1100 including shipping and everything - I ordered it online expecting it to ship promptly, saw nothing to indicate otherwise on the website whilst ordering, but a week later my credit card hadn't been charged. I checked the online order status, and it said three weeks. A friend of mine more intimately familiar with Dell's inner workings said "Three weeks is the edge of the universe as far as Dell is concerned." "What do you mean?" I asked. "That's the longest amount of time they list. There's two weeks and 6 days, then there's the heat death of the universe - in a little over two weeks, you'll get another email saying 'three weeks estimated ship time', and two weeks later another 'three weeks' email, etc. etc. Three weeks to them means they have no idea when it will ship. It took MONTHS to get my WiFi adaptor for my laptop, and they kept playing this same game."

Our petty conspiracy theory is that Dell stacks up these orders until they can make a bulk order of tens of thousands of these panels to get a bulk discount, then fulfills all the orders at once. Actually, that's not all so far fetched.

Bitch moan bitch moan shit Shit SHIT!

OK, now I'm done. For now.

-crankymikey

UPDATE: I called to find out what's up. It's expected to ship within 24 hours, and I was foolish enough at the time to select 2nd day shipment, which means I'll get it Tuesday...or Wednesday. Nearly a week. And of course, it's too late to change the order. Harrumph. Or more accurately, GOD DAMMIT!

-mike

UPDATE NEXT MORNING - so of course, later that night, in much the same way that your food won't arrive at your table until you go to the bathroom at a restaurant, only after I write my childish rant do I get an email from Apple - it's shipping and will be here Monday. And since I'm leaving town this afternoon for the weekend, that'll honestly be just fine.

And this morning, I got an email that the Dell monitor has shipped yesterday as well, I should get it on Monday or Tuesday.

Aluminum Foil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Theorists: You may now assume Dell & Apple watch the web for complaining customers and ship if they bitch. Hahahahahanot.

Sooooo.........OK!

-mike

UPDATED YET AGAIN FRIDAY 10AM: ...and then the Dell monitor shows up, but I need to pack to leave town for the weekend. I'll play with it next week.
Comments:
LOL!!! Sorry to hear all that. I feel your pain!
 
It took me 1 month to get my Dell 24" 1920x1200.
 
Peter - what do you think of the Dell 24" running it on a Mac?

Mike - when you get yours I'm sure well get a detailed comparison with the mac monitors.... hoping for it at least.
 
Can you use the serials for three older products purchased separately -- FCP, DVDSP, and Motion -- for an upgrade version _from Production Bundle_ to the full Studio. AND, if so, do the versions have to be the most recent (pre-Studio), or can it be, like, FCPHD and DVDSP 2 and Motion, or DVDSP3 and FCP3 and Motion, or whatnot.
 
If you have FULL VERSION serials for those three programs, you'll be fine. It does not matter WHICH full version, it could be DVDSP 1.5, FCP 1.25, etc etc.

My reseller asked me about that, and saved me $200 since I had planned on buying the FCP->Studio upgrade when all I needed was the Production Bundle upgrade.
 
I received my Studio Upgrade from Production SUite today. I think I ordered the upgrade a few days after Tiger shipped.

A friend of mine tried to upgrade his educational version and was told by Apple that that version can not be upgraded. I'm not sure what's up and that bit of info is second-hand so take it with a grain of salt. He got his upgrade yesterday, and even though he had opened the box he was able to get Apple to accept a return on the product since it was unusable for him. I wish I was so luck regarding my Logic Express upgrade. I received mine the day Apple announced the new version but I opened the box before I found out. Of course we were all hosed when Apple offered no upgrade path... even to those of us who had the old version for less than 24 hours.
 
The Dell 24" monitor is worth the wait Mike - it is absolutely beautiful.
 
Mike,

When you finally get FCP 5 up and running would you like to comment on the following thread it seems to be exciting

http://www.creativecow.net/forum/view_thread.php?threadid=833022&forumid=124

Bob
 
Academic originals can not be upgraded to Final Cut Studio. Spare yourself, and Apple technical support a headache and get an Academic full version if you qualify for it.

Also, the previous pro apps can be upgraded piece-meal as long as they were all the last version of the apps- Final Cut Pro HD, Motion 1, and DVD Studio Pro 3.

It's confusing, I know.
 
I know FOR A FACT, that if you had all the current apps but one, say DVD Studio Pro 2 instead of 3, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO UPGRADE to Final Cut Studio (upgrade from production suite). Be careful. Not all the Apple salespeople understand how the upgrades work yet, since it's complicated and different from previous versions.
 
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