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High Definition Video for Independent Filmmakers
A How To Guide for Digital Filmmakers
Welcome all! This is my blog to share my latest research,
thoughts, etc. on utilizing HD for independent filmmaking.
YES, I am available for consulting
Contact me at mike@hdforindies.com
All content copyright 2004-2007 Mike Curtis.
Monday, August 08, 2005
A-Ha! How the Apple Home Theater Setup would work-UPDATED AGAIN
UPDATED (YET AGAIN at bottom)
OK, if you haven't read the past several articles, this won't make any sense, so go read these:
Here's what started it all - why HD DVD and Blu Ray are at risk of becoming Laserdiscs 2.0
Here's where I first complied my Apple downloadable service conjecture (skip the Microsoft WM9 player part)
My guesstimate on release timetable and features and further thoughts on the thing
Here's where I realized iVideo+podcasts for sale=eBay for video content - not in the sense of auctions, but in the sense of something that can scale incredibly fast as a many-to-many architecture not relying on few vendors to populate it
...and I've added some other thoughts about features, market positioning, cable video recording and DRM towards the bottom as well.
end update - (except for bottom)
The Apple Home Theater Box or a New Mac
So here's yet another twist - what if the Home Theater Widget was the "secure" device in the chain that ANY computer would work from, but a new Intel based Mac (now with digital audio & video outputs in addition to VGA/DVI) would be the other option? Thus all output options would be secured.
Anybody could use the Airport Express style A/V brick to connect wirelessly to the next room from their broadband connected computer.
But the new Intel based Macs coming out next year (and the mini is expected to be one of the first) could have built in, or optionally installed, digital and analog audio/video connections so that it could live in the living room and plug straight into a TV.
The DVI spec is flexible enough (and HDMI is based on DVI plus audio anyway) that there could be a breakout cable thing to connect to a standard definition or high definition TV. The Hollywood studios look like they are going to require high definition video playback devices to ONLY play back high def content using HDMI (a digital connector) with HDCP (hardware device copy protection) in order to "plug the analog hole" to prevent copying. This could fulfill that requirement.
ATI already offers a DVI to analog component output adaptor for some of their graphics cards that support YUV functionality (component video). So why not have Apple support this functionality? One adaptor for analog (standard definition) connections, and another for digital (standard or high definition) connections.
This would solve the problem of how to have secured playback devices while still allowing any broadband connected computer to play back the movies.
So anyone would be able to buy a device to watch downloaded movies on their living room TV (or HDTV).
Option 1: You already own a broadband conneted computer
So you buy this under $500 box (under $300 if standard def only I'd bet) that lets you stream content from your computer to your TV or HDTV. Movies are secure, because purchased movies will ONLY play back through that ONE device (or other devices affiliated with that account - think about how iTunes works now with 3 computers). You mate/register/call it what you will your streaming playback device to a given account, or possibly a given computer. The DRM is satisfied that it's a secure path. Hollywood would then be more likely to sell their movies via this method.
There'd be some software to run on the Mac or PC in the next room (activated by pressing a button on the bluetooth based remote, natch) that controls the streaming, playback, UI, display etc on the screen.
Bonus round: when not streaming audio/video/pictures, it's a wireless range extender for your WiFi network, or a wireless access point, or a remote printer connector - all things the current Airport Express can do.
Option 2: You have no computer, or want a new/another one
The Mac mini is expected to be the one of the first Macs to go with an Intel processor. If true, it's a great platform for a home theater PC - already there are multiple websites dedicated to using it in this fashion, a faster computer with Intel's trusted computing platform DRM stuff would offer a secure, only-plays-on-this-box solution for the movie studios. Just plug it into your TV or HDTV and use it as a computer with a wireless keyboard and mouse, or just run the Apple media PC software so all you see are the movies/pictures/iTunes user interfaces optimized for TV usage. And use the Bluetooth based remote that rumors have been floating around about. There'd be a new application that was optimized for living room viewing distances to put a happy user experience on living room viewing range controls.
Now, roll this into the other 4 or 5 articles and that's why I think Apple's in a position to take off.
Conclusions:
Option 1 probably wouldn't offer as nice of a user interface as option 2 - since you'd be relying on the little streaming box for UI rather than a "for real" computer. If they shovelled more UI and smarts into the little streaming box, it's size and cost would go up - bad for sales. I thought about if the "host application" back on the broadband connected computer were generating a user interface and sending it as compressed video back through the little streaming box, that'd have some severe compromises, such as text quality, compression artifacts, etc., so I don't think Apple would go that route.
So while the streaming box would work, it'd probably have a more limited user interface than the computer plugged directly into the set.
The first generation standard def box would of course be supplemented by the second generation high def box, which would of course add more features, and probalby an upgraded user interface. Think iPod mini (SD) and iPod Photo (HD) in terms of features, cost, and capabilities.
Oh, and while we're at it? Having a cable input, or cable card slot and input, would be trivial to add, and if you streamed it back to the host computer (or recorded it directly if computer were plugged in), now you'd have a TiVO like device. But then Apple would be opening itself up to lawsuits based on the recent Grokster decision, in that Apple could be construed to be advocating piracy by putting the data on a computer....but maybe not if the content were locked to that computer.
Yeah, I'm gonna buy some more Apple stock.
-mike
UPDATE/POSTSCRIPT: Several hours after writing this, I'm thinking in the shower, as you do, and my mind wandered back to the iPod Video concept. And another possibility hit me: iPod Video could be just another iPod, but the dock for it could include the following:
-MPEG-2 (HDV is this also)/H.2664/DV decoder chips
-analog and digital audio and video outs (as described elsewhere recently)
-power
-FireWire
-docking connection for iPod
This way, the iPod merely becomes the medium of transit. You download movies to it, walk it into your living room/bedroom/friend's house with TV, dock it, and the UI appears on screen and lets you surf your choices. Whether the added brains for the user interface live in the iPod or the Dock is an engineering challenge, with pros and cons on each side.
As with iTunes, you could load your downloaded content (movies or music) to as many iPods as were paired to the account. Three or so computers per account, and away you go. This way, you could simply use your iPod as a carrier to move movies to a friend's house and watch them there, or watch in your bedroom/living room/kitchen wherever. So long as you're within the three machines paired to an open ended amount of iPods, you're good to go. Stronger anti-copying tech would probably be brought to bear since it's cake to pipe iTunes off an iPod with one of a zillion freebie apps, but it can be done.
This makes me rethink my "there will be no iPod Video" thing I said earlier. If it draws power from the dock, and the hard drive doesn't get overly stressed (throughput is fine even on current stuff, just thermal/lifespan issues I'm worried about here), this could work fine, while still keeping the iPod size & cost in line.
Actually, the only difference between this and the streaming thing is swapping out the streaming stuff and putting the iPod directly connected to it. You'd still be able to browse audio, vidoe and pictures.
But why not just put an iPod dock on the Airport Express Home Theater Gadget in the first place and have ALL this functionality?
Also, read the comments from the link below, Sasha maks some excellent points about wired vs. wireless connectivitiy, where Bluetooth really helps you (I'd been thinking of direct commands from remote to Mac in other room, remote to Gadget via Bluetooth and commands send over 802.11g makes tons more sense), and rental vs purchase sales models.
It also dawned on me that, like an iPod, the DRM scenario still works if you're going to be wired or wirelessly connected to a central computer to make it be fine and dandy to have as many Home Theater Widgets as you want affiliated with computers that are locked to an account, since you're not ripping off the studios. In the same way you can copy music to all the iPods you want that are married to your Mac, why not have as many A/V Gadgets as you need?
Oh, and what to call it?
iWatch.
-mike
OK, if you haven't read the past several articles, this won't make any sense, so go read these:
Here's what started it all - why HD DVD and Blu Ray are at risk of becoming Laserdiscs 2.0
Here's where I first complied my Apple downloadable service conjecture (skip the Microsoft WM9 player part)
My guesstimate on release timetable and features and further thoughts on the thing
Here's where I realized iVideo+podcasts for sale=eBay for video content - not in the sense of auctions, but in the sense of something that can scale incredibly fast as a many-to-many architecture not relying on few vendors to populate it
...and I've added some other thoughts about features, market positioning, cable video recording and DRM towards the bottom as well.
end update - (except for bottom)
The Apple Home Theater Box or a New Mac
So here's yet another twist - what if the Home Theater Widget was the "secure" device in the chain that ANY computer would work from, but a new Intel based Mac (now with digital audio & video outputs in addition to VGA/DVI) would be the other option? Thus all output options would be secured.
Anybody could use the Airport Express style A/V brick to connect wirelessly to the next room from their broadband connected computer.
But the new Intel based Macs coming out next year (and the mini is expected to be one of the first) could have built in, or optionally installed, digital and analog audio/video connections so that it could live in the living room and plug straight into a TV.
The DVI spec is flexible enough (and HDMI is based on DVI plus audio anyway) that there could be a breakout cable thing to connect to a standard definition or high definition TV. The Hollywood studios look like they are going to require high definition video playback devices to ONLY play back high def content using HDMI (a digital connector) with HDCP (hardware device copy protection) in order to "plug the analog hole" to prevent copying. This could fulfill that requirement.
ATI already offers a DVI to analog component output adaptor for some of their graphics cards that support YUV functionality (component video). So why not have Apple support this functionality? One adaptor for analog (standard definition) connections, and another for digital (standard or high definition) connections.
This would solve the problem of how to have secured playback devices while still allowing any broadband connected computer to play back the movies.
So anyone would be able to buy a device to watch downloaded movies on their living room TV (or HDTV).
Option 1: You already own a broadband conneted computer
So you buy this under $500 box (under $300 if standard def only I'd bet) that lets you stream content from your computer to your TV or HDTV. Movies are secure, because purchased movies will ONLY play back through that ONE device (or other devices affiliated with that account - think about how iTunes works now with 3 computers). You mate/register/call it what you will your streaming playback device to a given account, or possibly a given computer. The DRM is satisfied that it's a secure path. Hollywood would then be more likely to sell their movies via this method.
There'd be some software to run on the Mac or PC in the next room (activated by pressing a button on the bluetooth based remote, natch) that controls the streaming, playback, UI, display etc on the screen.
Bonus round: when not streaming audio/video/pictures, it's a wireless range extender for your WiFi network, or a wireless access point, or a remote printer connector - all things the current Airport Express can do.
Option 2: You have no computer, or want a new/another one
The Mac mini is expected to be the one of the first Macs to go with an Intel processor. If true, it's a great platform for a home theater PC - already there are multiple websites dedicated to using it in this fashion, a faster computer with Intel's trusted computing platform DRM stuff would offer a secure, only-plays-on-this-box solution for the movie studios. Just plug it into your TV or HDTV and use it as a computer with a wireless keyboard and mouse, or just run the Apple media PC software so all you see are the movies/pictures/iTunes user interfaces optimized for TV usage. And use the Bluetooth based remote that rumors have been floating around about. There'd be a new application that was optimized for living room viewing distances to put a happy user experience on living room viewing range controls.
Now, roll this into the other 4 or 5 articles and that's why I think Apple's in a position to take off.
Conclusions:
Option 1 probably wouldn't offer as nice of a user interface as option 2 - since you'd be relying on the little streaming box for UI rather than a "for real" computer. If they shovelled more UI and smarts into the little streaming box, it's size and cost would go up - bad for sales. I thought about if the "host application" back on the broadband connected computer were generating a user interface and sending it as compressed video back through the little streaming box, that'd have some severe compromises, such as text quality, compression artifacts, etc., so I don't think Apple would go that route.
So while the streaming box would work, it'd probably have a more limited user interface than the computer plugged directly into the set.
The first generation standard def box would of course be supplemented by the second generation high def box, which would of course add more features, and probalby an upgraded user interface. Think iPod mini (SD) and iPod Photo (HD) in terms of features, cost, and capabilities.
Oh, and while we're at it? Having a cable input, or cable card slot and input, would be trivial to add, and if you streamed it back to the host computer (or recorded it directly if computer were plugged in), now you'd have a TiVO like device. But then Apple would be opening itself up to lawsuits based on the recent Grokster decision, in that Apple could be construed to be advocating piracy by putting the data on a computer....but maybe not if the content were locked to that computer.
Yeah, I'm gonna buy some more Apple stock.
-mike
UPDATE/POSTSCRIPT: Several hours after writing this, I'm thinking in the shower, as you do, and my mind wandered back to the iPod Video concept. And another possibility hit me: iPod Video could be just another iPod, but the dock for it could include the following:
-MPEG-2 (HDV is this also)/H.2664/DV decoder chips
-analog and digital audio and video outs (as described elsewhere recently)
-power
-FireWire
-docking connection for iPod
This way, the iPod merely becomes the medium of transit. You download movies to it, walk it into your living room/bedroom/friend's house with TV, dock it, and the UI appears on screen and lets you surf your choices. Whether the added brains for the user interface live in the iPod or the Dock is an engineering challenge, with pros and cons on each side.
As with iTunes, you could load your downloaded content (movies or music) to as many iPods as were paired to the account. Three or so computers per account, and away you go. This way, you could simply use your iPod as a carrier to move movies to a friend's house and watch them there, or watch in your bedroom/living room/kitchen wherever. So long as you're within the three machines paired to an open ended amount of iPods, you're good to go. Stronger anti-copying tech would probably be brought to bear since it's cake to pipe iTunes off an iPod with one of a zillion freebie apps, but it can be done.
This makes me rethink my "there will be no iPod Video" thing I said earlier. If it draws power from the dock, and the hard drive doesn't get overly stressed (throughput is fine even on current stuff, just thermal/lifespan issues I'm worried about here), this could work fine, while still keeping the iPod size & cost in line.
Actually, the only difference between this and the streaming thing is swapping out the streaming stuff and putting the iPod directly connected to it. You'd still be able to browse audio, vidoe and pictures.
But why not just put an iPod dock on the Airport Express Home Theater Gadget in the first place and have ALL this functionality?
Also, read the comments from the link below, Sasha maks some excellent points about wired vs. wireless connectivitiy, where Bluetooth really helps you (I'd been thinking of direct commands from remote to Mac in other room, remote to Gadget via Bluetooth and commands send over 802.11g makes tons more sense), and rental vs purchase sales models.
It also dawned on me that, like an iPod, the DRM scenario still works if you're going to be wired or wirelessly connected to a central computer to make it be fine and dandy to have as many Home Theater Widgets as you want affiliated with computers that are locked to an account, since you're not ripping off the studios. In the same way you can copy music to all the iPods you want that are married to your Mac, why not have as many A/V Gadgets as you need?
Oh, and what to call it?
iWatch.
-mike
Comments:
Wow, man, nice research! Somebody should hire you, or Apple should assasinate you. Whichever costs less.
: )
Along these lines, I've been doodling around with what can be done in the meantime with a mini for movie purposes:
Here is how I would do it. I've already tested it on a Powerbook, so I know it works. This will create a rough version of a DVD server / player a la Kaleidescape.
http://www.kaleidescape.com/
1. Rip DVD's to the hard drive of your "server" with Mac the Ripper.
This has a dubious distinction, but is this process you can actually leave copy protection and Macrovision untouched since the aim is not to duplicate the DVD, but play it on a nearby networked machine.
2. Set up a Mac Mini on your TV with a DVI to Video adapter. You can also go in directly through DVI on the newer TV's. Then, run an ethernet cable to your Mac Mini to your home network. I've also tested wireless and this works, but you should have a very strong signal.
3. Turn ON File Sharing on the server.
4. From the Mini, navigate to the server and mount it as a shared volume.
5. Boot up DVD Player on your Mac Mini, navigate to the VIDEO_TS folder on the server, and open that. The DVD will stream over the network to the Mac Mini "player" and voila! You are playing content over your network to any monitor that you have a player connected.
What's so cool about this? I can grab three films at a time from Netflix and immediately record them to disk. Tossed back in the mail the same day, I can get about 9 discs a week. I can add around 40 movies to my server per month this way and then watch what I want whenever I want.
Netflix will also let you have more discs out (up to 8) for a higher fee.
And, of course, while this is time shifting, it's only legal if you delete the movies after you watch them. Or before you send the movies back. Or maybe if you didn't watch the movie on DVD, but did return the disc, and then deleted the files after one viewing. Bah. Whatever. Be good, kids.
Also, this doesn't do HD yet, but I can't think why it wouldn't unless Apple blocks playing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content over a network.
The cool thing to for someone to do would be to write up a cool app that would catalog your VIDEO_TS files ala Delicious Monster and have it act as a video server with style.
-Snarkyboy, hiding from Da Man
: )
Along these lines, I've been doodling around with what can be done in the meantime with a mini for movie purposes:
Here is how I would do it. I've already tested it on a Powerbook, so I know it works. This will create a rough version of a DVD server / player a la Kaleidescape.
http://www.kaleidescape.com/
1. Rip DVD's to the hard drive of your "server" with Mac the Ripper.
This has a dubious distinction, but is this process you can actually leave copy protection and Macrovision untouched since the aim is not to duplicate the DVD, but play it on a nearby networked machine.
2. Set up a Mac Mini on your TV with a DVI to Video adapter. You can also go in directly through DVI on the newer TV's. Then, run an ethernet cable to your Mac Mini to your home network. I've also tested wireless and this works, but you should have a very strong signal.
3. Turn ON File Sharing on the server.
4. From the Mini, navigate to the server and mount it as a shared volume.
5. Boot up DVD Player on your Mac Mini, navigate to the VIDEO_TS folder on the server, and open that. The DVD will stream over the network to the Mac Mini "player" and voila! You are playing content over your network to any monitor that you have a player connected.
What's so cool about this? I can grab three films at a time from Netflix and immediately record them to disk. Tossed back in the mail the same day, I can get about 9 discs a week. I can add around 40 movies to my server per month this way and then watch what I want whenever I want.
Netflix will also let you have more discs out (up to 8) for a higher fee.
And, of course, while this is time shifting, it's only legal if you delete the movies after you watch them. Or before you send the movies back. Or maybe if you didn't watch the movie on DVD, but did return the disc, and then deleted the files after one viewing. Bah. Whatever. Be good, kids.
Also, this doesn't do HD yet, but I can't think why it wouldn't unless Apple blocks playing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content over a network.
The cool thing to for someone to do would be to write up a cool app that would catalog your VIDEO_TS files ala Delicious Monster and have it act as a video server with style.
-Snarkyboy, hiding from Da Man
I think your site is going to help me out a lot. I've already started reading through the early archives... working my way through chronologically :)
Man, Mike, after that little bowling discussion last week, you just kept on going and going... 8-)
Seriously, man, keep it up, as I really don't have enough time to think about this stuff this much these days, and this way I can just check your site later to see what I *might* have been thinking, if I'd actually *had* the time to put 2 and 2 together and multiply by pi...
Awesome stuff. Awesome thoughts. I do not think you are far off at all, on any of it, though time-tables and Hollywood's paranoia are hard to predict.
One totally random thought about your earliest articles in this series (Laserdisc 2.0), then I'll try to write back later to geek out on the Home Vid Widget and the Indie Revolution...
While I *know* this is unlikely as hell, I'm going to propose this anyway: What would be the one guaranteed way to WIN the upcoming HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray standoff?
(Pause to let folks think.)
Hint: all those early adopters who are pissed off at the notion that they have to buy a new HDTV to make these new discs actually work... (Your whole Laserdisc 2.0 argument for why this fiasco will flop....)
(Now you're thinking "Naw, no way, they'd never go for it..." And you're probably right...)
I doubt anyone would actually be smart enough to go there, (as then the *consumer* would actually win...) but can you imagine if one of the camps would just chill out a bit and realize that video piracy did *not* eliminate the potential sale of DVDs... to the tune of billions and billions of dollars that now accounts for more of their income than theatrical ticket sales??! Can they really let all of this paranoia of HD piracy lead to adopting a standard that is doomed to being shunned by the early adopter?
Isn't there some potential legal consumer-protection backlash from people who own HDTVs and can't watch HD on existing sets? We spend a lot of time imagining the bullying and lobbying power of the studios, but heck, there's a lot more of us (consumers) than there are of them... doesn't that count for *something* in the grand scheme? (Where's my EFF representative when I need one?)
Anyway, crazy and overly-optimistic thoughts tonite, probably off-base and quite uncharacteristic of me. But man, if *someone* just goes there, doesn't lock everything down to a brand-new HDMI/HDCP pipe, isn't super-evil-DRM (note I'm not saying NO protection, just *reasonable-but-not-brutally-painful* protection), be it a disc format or an internet download service, or any of that in combination with a slick Apple Widget, you know the early adopters will go there. They want their HDTV. (And I'd think, eventually, so too, would the masses.) And then anyone else can just sit in the Loser Corner, hugging their DRM and mumbling to themselves about how they coulda been a contender...
So there, my key to winning the format war and making another round of untold billions: Chill out and just let the people have their freaking HD.
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Seriously, man, keep it up, as I really don't have enough time to think about this stuff this much these days, and this way I can just check your site later to see what I *might* have been thinking, if I'd actually *had* the time to put 2 and 2 together and multiply by pi...
Awesome stuff. Awesome thoughts. I do not think you are far off at all, on any of it, though time-tables and Hollywood's paranoia are hard to predict.
One totally random thought about your earliest articles in this series (Laserdisc 2.0), then I'll try to write back later to geek out on the Home Vid Widget and the Indie Revolution...
While I *know* this is unlikely as hell, I'm going to propose this anyway: What would be the one guaranteed way to WIN the upcoming HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray standoff?
(Pause to let folks think.)
Hint: all those early adopters who are pissed off at the notion that they have to buy a new HDTV to make these new discs actually work... (Your whole Laserdisc 2.0 argument for why this fiasco will flop....)
(Now you're thinking "Naw, no way, they'd never go for it..." And you're probably right...)
I doubt anyone would actually be smart enough to go there, (as then the *consumer* would actually win...) but can you imagine if one of the camps would just chill out a bit and realize that video piracy did *not* eliminate the potential sale of DVDs... to the tune of billions and billions of dollars that now accounts for more of their income than theatrical ticket sales??! Can they really let all of this paranoia of HD piracy lead to adopting a standard that is doomed to being shunned by the early adopter?
Isn't there some potential legal consumer-protection backlash from people who own HDTVs and can't watch HD on existing sets? We spend a lot of time imagining the bullying and lobbying power of the studios, but heck, there's a lot more of us (consumers) than there are of them... doesn't that count for *something* in the grand scheme? (Where's my EFF representative when I need one?)
Anyway, crazy and overly-optimistic thoughts tonite, probably off-base and quite uncharacteristic of me. But man, if *someone* just goes there, doesn't lock everything down to a brand-new HDMI/HDCP pipe, isn't super-evil-DRM (note I'm not saying NO protection, just *reasonable-but-not-brutally-painful* protection), be it a disc format or an internet download service, or any of that in combination with a slick Apple Widget, you know the early adopters will go there. They want their HDTV. (And I'd think, eventually, so too, would the masses.) And then anyone else can just sit in the Loser Corner, hugging their DRM and mumbling to themselves about how they coulda been a contender...
So there, my key to winning the format war and making another round of untold billions: Chill out and just let the people have their freaking HD.
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