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Thursday, September 29, 2005

Why Microsoft decided to back HD DVD over Blu Ray 

Tom's Hardware Guide: Tom's Hard News has an excellent article about why Microsoft is backing HD DVD rather than Blu Ray. Initially neutral, Microsoft yesterday (and I didn't report it, to busy sorry) announced they were backing HD DVD.

I'm always quick to suspect Microsoft of skullduggery, and some of the interactivity standards stuff still might be questionable, but ASSUMING the other factors are correct, HD DVD is making a lot more sense. Here's the rundown of why MS decided to go HD DVD - they had 6 key areas of interest/functionality:

1.) HD DVD has a plan to let users make authorized copies to hard drives for home theater/media PC usage. (I'm guessing it'll require sticking the disc in every so often so that the "rent/rip/return" model used for DVDs won't be valid). Blu Ray is noncommital on this issue (perhaps Sony, the big backer behind Blu Ray, as a movie producer as well as manufacturer doesn't like that idea?)

2.) Support for hybrid discs - both have talked about it, but Blu Ray's combo disc with standard def DVD on one side, high def on the other doesn't exist outside the lab, and is nowhere near manufacturable.

3.) Keeping production costs low - HD DVD has always been rumored to be lower production costs, since it is closer in spec to regular DVDs. Blu Ray looks to be more expensive.

4.) Similarly - low disc replication costs - same kind of thing. Keep costs low to make it market viable.

5.) Disc storage capacity - while Blu Ray looks like an obvious winner with single layer capacities of 25GB vs HD DVD's 15GB, Blu Ray's promise of 50GB with dual layer looks like vaporware, whereas 30GB HD DVDs look very doable and manufacturable. Of course, that's just for read only media. I'd imagine that the evolution of single vs. dual layer burnables would be similar to that of DVDs - it's been years that we've had single layer burners, but dual layer burners are new in the last year or so.

6.) Interactivity standards - Blu Ray was going with a Java based solution, which major studios purportedly don't like as complex and unwieldy (I can't comment on that, dunno).

Mike's (further) analysis: All of this is pretty suprising. When I read that MS was backing HD DVD, I figured it was because they had a hand in developing the interactivity layer of HD DVD and didn't want Blu Ray's competing Java based standard. MS wants the world dependent on an MS based standard, period.

But the other reasons are surprising - now that the technologies are getting close, and actual, deliverable product is getting close as opposed to plans and intentions, HD DVD is looking better if all the above comments are true about what is and isn't ready for mass production.

One thing that has always bugged me about Blu Ray was the fact that the media gets written 1/10th of a millimeter away from the surface of the disk - what about scratches? In theory, I'd love to see Blu Ray win, but it sounds like they are way behind in their implementation.

I'd figured that Sony's inclusion of a Blu Ray player in the PS3 would be a massive stealth push of Blu Ray discs into the population, but with both Intel and Microsoft backing HD DVD, the computer world is now wrapped around HD DVD pretty tightly. Where will Blu Ray support come from for the Windows users of the world? That gets pretty confusing, and if there isn't native Windows driver level support built in, that's a huge blow to Sony and their camp.

So it might be HD DVD that wins this one by default from the computer side of things - remember, DVD-ROMs were the stealth door in for consumers to get used to DVD Video.
Comments:
from macdailynews.com:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/7066/

Microsoft and Intel's announcement erroneously indicates that HD-DVD has an advantage in a number of areas. To set the record straight, here are the facts:

• Capacity: Blu-ray Disc's capacity is 50GB. This will be available at launch for BD-ROM, BD-R, and BD-RE. This is 67% more than HD-DVD's 30GB ROM capacity and 150% more than its recordable storage capacity -- a critical issue for computer users.

• Managed copy: Managed Copy is not a function of the optical disc format, but a function of the content protection system. The AACS content protection system, which is used by both Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, enables managed copy and network streaming functionality. It is not format specific.

• Hybrid Disc: Blu-ray Disc was the first format to introduce a hybrid disc that could hold both high and standard definition versions of a movie on a single disc. The Blu-ray Hybrid Disc is the more elegant solution as it holds both versions of the film on the same side of the disc, which provides for easy labeling and greater ease of use for consumers.

• Backward Compatibility: Blu-ray Disc players and recorders can and will support DVDs through the addition of red lasers in the hardware. In order to be backward compatible with DVD, HD-DVD must also include a red laser.

• Interactivity: Blu-ray disc is built on BD-Java, which leverages years of industry investment and experience in the set-top box, PC, and cell phone industries. BD-JavaTM provides a mature, robust platform for authoring and delivering unprecedented interactive capabilities to the user for movies, music, and games. BD-Java was selected over iHD, the developmental Microsoft technology used in HD-DVD. The BDA carefully compared both iHD and BD-J, and concluded that iHD didn't go far enough in providing a compelling feature set beyond DVD, while BD-J offered studios a much richer palette for providing a compelling interactive HD experience for consumers, particularly when a player is connected to a network.
 
Considering all of the above comment was lifted from a press release issued by a Blu-ray backing company I wouldn't exactly take it as unbiased account of the situation.
 
That was a rather weak rebuttal by HP.

1. Capacity...although I'll admit that the Triple Layer HD-DVD 45GB discs won't be supported in 1st gen HD-DVD players it's still as likely 50GB DL discs for BR.

2. Yes but BR players will have to support yet another layer of DRM with BD+ on top of AACS. Managed Copy and BD+ my be diametrically opposed regarding Managed Copy.

3. JVC's Hybrid Disc is not a part of the BR spec yet. It's a lab product. HD-DVD has Hybrid disc as an approved spec.

4. The BR lens assembly is larger making it harder to engineer a laptop sized BR drive. We'll see if they can match the svelte drives of HD-DVD. Note that Apple's DVD Studio Pro 4 can burn SD and HD content on a DVD-R disc which will be playable by any HD-DVD player. No word on this from BR yet.

5. BD-J may have licensing costs that are double that of iHD(which BD support Disney lobbied hard for to no avail). With Java you have to license the whole class even if you use only a small portion. There's nothing in BD-J that cannot be done in XML based iHD.

Native Vista support for HD-DVD will be a boon. The ability to do manage copy is a boon (a feature of AACS on both platforms). Truth is two large Chinese pressers just announced support for HD-DVD and a DVD pressing line can be upgraded to HD-DVD support for one tenth the cost of a new 2 million dollar Blu-Ray line.

Now all Microsoft has to do is create an HD-DVD enabled Xbox and ANY advantage that BR has will basically evaporate.
 
please, the only reason microsoft is backing HD-DVD because they have spent millions and millions into advertising their XBOX 360! simply put... i know for a fact.
 
oh yea... just to also tell you... bd-roms... support java... didnt microsoft take java off internet explorer... start thinking harder please.. and you will find the true source
 
Children, please! You must speak politely to each other.

I have no deep technical understanding of these formats whereby to argue hotly the advantages of one format over another. But that doesn't matter.

The important thing is not why Microsoft is backing HD-DVD, but that they are. Wasn't Betamax a superior format to VHS? Still lost, didn't it? This is very soon to becoming a marketing war, and the superiority of one format over another will become important only insofar as it can be spun to the consumer.
 
Hmm, well one obvious fact is that Apple supports Blu-Ray, so right there you have a motive for Microsoft to oppose it.

Lower initial manufacturing costs are a stupid reason to saddle us with a potentially inferior format for the next decade or two. This "reason" is simply not valid. As usual, the consumer loses and the publishers get a (very short-term) gain.

Then we have this strawman: The Chinese like DVD-HD. This endorsement really means a lot, coming from the country in which most people are still watching movies on CD-I. Yes, CD-I, the piece-of-shit MPEG-1 CDs that died here as soon as they were introduced a decade and a half ago. And how soon the press forgets: Just a year or two ago the Chinese were pushing their own half-assed HD format based on red lasers. These people have proven repeatedly that they don't give a shit about quality, so anyone citing their endorsement doesn't either.

Then there's Intel. Who really gives a rat's ass which format they support? This is the company that still doesn't have FireWire on their motherboards, and instead tries to push USB, which was designed to connect keyboards, mice, and modems. I kid you not, at NAB a couple of years ago I asked an Intel rep what the deal was with no FireWire, and he pretended to barely know what it was: "Isn't that some Apple thing?" Oh yeah, but you'll only find it on EVERY current video camera sold, jagoffs. We're supposed to take stock of THEIR views on video technology? AS IF.

MS and Intel rank high amongst Those We Don't Really Need to Hear From.
 
Information Central- First let's correct some of your "misinformation"

Apple is a DVD Forum member and just recently joined the BDA Board of Directors. Thus they are firmly planted in both camps. They don't care who wins they provide the necessary support for both. Look at the DVD Studio Pro 4 page on Apple's site and you see the disc with the HD-DVD logo. I've seen training webinars where Apple says they'll gladly support both formats.

You call HD-DVD an inferior format but I would like to know in what way is it inferior? What's going to happen in 10 years that is going to exceed are movies suddenly going to go to 3hrs? I think with today's advanced codecs 45GB and 50GB will be fine for quite some time.

What the Chinese do or like is immaterial. Lower manufacturing costs are important to everyone involved ..that's their margin in those costs. Trivializing that is foolhardy.

Intel figures prominently into what's happening in multimedia. 1 they are pushing the BTX format for more case choices and thermal characteristics. 2 they are going to be promoting their ViiV platform for multimedia. Think of Viiv and the Media Center platform for hardware. Thus what Intel likes is going to be important enough.

I say let the market decide what they want. Studios should support both formats initially and then see what format sticks with the consumers. Its the fairest way.
 
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