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High Definition Video for Independent Filmmakers
A How To Guide for Digital Filmmakers
Welcome all! This is my blog to share my latest research,
thoughts, etc. on utilizing HD for independent filmmaking.
YES, I am available for consulting
Contact me at mike@hdforindies.com
All content copyright 2004-2007 Mike Curtis.
Sunday, November 20, 2005
OK, tough love time. Wanna make movies? Read this first.
Join a Revolution. Make Movies. Go Broke. - New York Times
...is a brutally honest Telling of The Tale.
Most movies lose money.
Most movies don't even recoup their original investment to even break even.
A LOT of good, interesting, artistically interesting movies that do well on the festival circuit don't make a dime.
This is the story of Arin Crumley (24) and Susan Buice (27), who sank more than $75,000 of their own money, credit card debt, and their parents' money into making and showing "Four Eyed Monster" at a bunch of festivals.
I met these two people, the actors and stars one and the same, and talked to them at SXSW.
I saw this movie, I like this movie, I was blown away by the audacity of this movie, flaws and all.
But it isn't going to make them a dime it looks like.
Read this article, my friends, if are thinking you want to make a movie.
If you still do, God bless you and protect, because you'll need it.
I'll support you, I'll help you, I'll give a lot of free advice on the blog, but for a lot of folks if you call or email me asking for help I'll ask for money, because I too wish to keep a roof over my head. I've said it before and I'll say it again -
for projects that offer me a learning opportunity, or a chance to try something I've been meaning to get around to (aka use your project as a guinnea pig), or I think is Just Cool, I'll get involved and help out for free. But if I've already done one like that, or it doesn't float my boat, I'll ask to be compensated for my time. Because I'm in this for fun, but I'm in this first as a business to support myself. I had a producer dance the line with me the other week saying "We're in the film business. For the 20 year olds saying they should be getting paid more on a film, I say you're getting paid, and that's better than most at your age. You're in the film business, be happy about it." That attitude scares the hell out of me, because frankly, I'M NOT IN THAT BUSINESS. Or at least, I certainly don't want to be in any business that says I should be happy and lucky to get paid baloney sandwich wages to take part in. And the producer was perhaps (not sure) implying that I should be in that boat too, and I refuse.
I want to see more cool movies get made, most assuredly. I think digital is a great way to do that. If you are reading this, you've probably been here before and seen my earliest posts about WHY to go digital, and seen the reviews, tests, FAQs, etc. that I've given to the community because it was fun, interesting, and also a way to get my name out there. I want to help filmmakers achieve their dreams and visions with HD For Indies and the services we'll be rolling into the market - it looks like it is working, we appear to be booked well into January solid at this point, with more services to follow beyond just color correction of SD, HD, and film originated material.
I'm in this to make a living assisting others make movies, and hopefully make art.
I think about Four Eyed Monsters, and how they did something really honest, really brash, really interesting and amazing and Of Our Generation, not some watered down filtered version like You've Got Mail. They tackled real world issues of today's emotional landscape in a way that frankly, most commercial films wouldn't. I thought about this - if they'd removed the section on Topic Y, it would have been a more marketable film. But it would have been less honest, and decisions such as that would swing it away from something with a tentative claim to Art towards something more towards Commerce and Entertainment. And as a filmmaker, you need to be very clear about which you are doing. Do you want to tell your Story, or do you want to make a Good Movie. It is a Great Thing when you can do both, but very very difficult and rare to achieve. For the most part, I'd say pick one, and live with the consequences of that decision, may God (whom I don't believe in) have mercy on your soul, since either path has serious challenges for the soul at hand.
OK, that's harsh, but that's as real as I see it.
Other than that, come on in, we got a special this week on coloring documentaries...
OK, back to the article. Some good pull quotes:
Sydney Pollack, the director - who has served as a creative adviser at the Filmmakers Lab of the Sundance Institute -said a price must be paid for democratizing any art. "The minute everyone is allowed in, something changes in terms of standards of excellence," he said. "I don't know whether that is good or bad."
And Geoffrey Gilmore, director of the Sundance Film Festival, warned that tales of overnight success can have a negative effect. "One of the problems with the Cinderella stories is that they create enormous expectation that people come out of the box fully grown," he said. "Filmmakers are not allowed enough time to enjoy a sense of growth."
---
What makes the independent film landscape particularly treacherous, though, is that most independent pictures are either self-financed or backed by individuals who've staked their own cash - and are left holding the bag when, as in the vast majority of cases, the movie turns out to have no commercial future.
Even without a distributor, "Four Eyed Monsters" is hardly an epic failure, if a failure at all, but the situation is dire for its creators. "My parents are really supportive of the creative lifestyle," Ms. Buice said. "But they're not rich people. They are middle class. It's causing problems at home. They like the movie but they are really freaked out by the financial situation. They're constantly on my case. 'Are you eating?' 'Did you pay the rent?' 'Did you pay your taxes?' My mom is very concerned about the credit-card debt."
...and what I consider to be the most astute and realistic quotes in the entire article:
"Media is not completely democratized yet because distribution is not a democratic thing," Mr. Crumley said. "We're looking at other ways to make our movie available in these different formats so that word of mouth can take over where we left off."
....
Ms. Morse, who lives in San Francisco, feels some creative people today are too fixated on using film to tell their stories, particularly in a climate where finding a distributor is so tough. "You need a reality check that a lot of people aren't getting," she said. "There are lots of other ways to get your story out there. Right now the convergence of media is moving so quickly."
Ya gotta be realistic about the odds of distribution. I've been misquoting the Sundance stats, instead of 2000ish submitted and 100ish shown, it was actually 2600 submitted and 120 shown according to this NYTimes article. And of those, what, maybe 10 or 15 got any significant distribution? I hear tell that the hot movies are already known to be snagged going into Sundance etc., the screenings are just further media and verification of critical acceptance at that point.
So get realistic about what future your film has. This is NOT AT ALL to say don't swing for the stars if that's what you think it should be. But also consider the paths of cable, direct to DVD, web download, or even podcasts for some material.
And scale your efforts - personally, I'd rather do something small & simple and do it really well rather than something overblown that I KNOW going in I'm going to have to stretch thin on and do a crappy or even mediocre job. Nobody longs for mediocrity - we want to watch greatness. So do something great, but small, is my advice.
Is this entry an essay, a review, a scolding, a recommendation, a sales pitch, or what?
I dunno, man, it's just a blog, and that's the beauty and the curse. It's just what I'm thinking tonight.
But despair not - there's also this article in the Times as well talking about how entertainment spending is zooming up amongst consumers. There's always new opportunities, and more than one way to present your masterpiece to folks in a way that they pay for it. There's theatrical, sure, but also DVD, cable, sattelite, internet download, PPV, video iPod, PSP, Netflix, Amazon, etc. etc. etc.
-mike
(and Adam and Susan, I hope you find a way to find a market for Four Eyed Monster. I really do, I fervently wish you the best of luck on this that you really did so well on)
...is a brutally honest Telling of The Tale.
Most movies lose money.
Most movies don't even recoup their original investment to even break even.
A LOT of good, interesting, artistically interesting movies that do well on the festival circuit don't make a dime.
This is the story of Arin Crumley (24) and Susan Buice (27), who sank more than $75,000 of their own money, credit card debt, and their parents' money into making and showing "Four Eyed Monster" at a bunch of festivals.
I met these two people, the actors and stars one and the same, and talked to them at SXSW.
I saw this movie, I like this movie, I was blown away by the audacity of this movie, flaws and all.
But it isn't going to make them a dime it looks like.
Read this article, my friends, if are thinking you want to make a movie.
If you still do, God bless you and protect, because you'll need it.
I'll support you, I'll help you, I'll give a lot of free advice on the blog, but for a lot of folks if you call or email me asking for help I'll ask for money, because I too wish to keep a roof over my head. I've said it before and I'll say it again -
for projects that offer me a learning opportunity, or a chance to try something I've been meaning to get around to (aka use your project as a guinnea pig), or I think is Just Cool, I'll get involved and help out for free. But if I've already done one like that, or it doesn't float my boat, I'll ask to be compensated for my time. Because I'm in this for fun, but I'm in this first as a business to support myself. I had a producer dance the line with me the other week saying "We're in the film business. For the 20 year olds saying they should be getting paid more on a film, I say you're getting paid, and that's better than most at your age. You're in the film business, be happy about it." That attitude scares the hell out of me, because frankly, I'M NOT IN THAT BUSINESS. Or at least, I certainly don't want to be in any business that says I should be happy and lucky to get paid baloney sandwich wages to take part in. And the producer was perhaps (not sure) implying that I should be in that boat too, and I refuse.
I want to see more cool movies get made, most assuredly. I think digital is a great way to do that. If you are reading this, you've probably been here before and seen my earliest posts about WHY to go digital, and seen the reviews, tests, FAQs, etc. that I've given to the community because it was fun, interesting, and also a way to get my name out there. I want to help filmmakers achieve their dreams and visions with HD For Indies and the services we'll be rolling into the market - it looks like it is working, we appear to be booked well into January solid at this point, with more services to follow beyond just color correction of SD, HD, and film originated material.
I'm in this to make a living assisting others make movies, and hopefully make art.
I think about Four Eyed Monsters, and how they did something really honest, really brash, really interesting and amazing and Of Our Generation, not some watered down filtered version like You've Got Mail. They tackled real world issues of today's emotional landscape in a way that frankly, most commercial films wouldn't. I thought about this - if they'd removed the section on Topic Y, it would have been a more marketable film. But it would have been less honest, and decisions such as that would swing it away from something with a tentative claim to Art towards something more towards Commerce and Entertainment. And as a filmmaker, you need to be very clear about which you are doing. Do you want to tell your Story, or do you want to make a Good Movie. It is a Great Thing when you can do both, but very very difficult and rare to achieve. For the most part, I'd say pick one, and live with the consequences of that decision, may God (whom I don't believe in) have mercy on your soul, since either path has serious challenges for the soul at hand.
OK, that's harsh, but that's as real as I see it.
Other than that, come on in, we got a special this week on coloring documentaries...
OK, back to the article. Some good pull quotes:
Sydney Pollack, the director - who has served as a creative adviser at the Filmmakers Lab of the Sundance Institute -said a price must be paid for democratizing any art. "The minute everyone is allowed in, something changes in terms of standards of excellence," he said. "I don't know whether that is good or bad."
And Geoffrey Gilmore, director of the Sundance Film Festival, warned that tales of overnight success can have a negative effect. "One of the problems with the Cinderella stories is that they create enormous expectation that people come out of the box fully grown," he said. "Filmmakers are not allowed enough time to enjoy a sense of growth."
---
What makes the independent film landscape particularly treacherous, though, is that most independent pictures are either self-financed or backed by individuals who've staked their own cash - and are left holding the bag when, as in the vast majority of cases, the movie turns out to have no commercial future.
Even without a distributor, "Four Eyed Monsters" is hardly an epic failure, if a failure at all, but the situation is dire for its creators. "My parents are really supportive of the creative lifestyle," Ms. Buice said. "But they're not rich people. They are middle class. It's causing problems at home. They like the movie but they are really freaked out by the financial situation. They're constantly on my case. 'Are you eating?' 'Did you pay the rent?' 'Did you pay your taxes?' My mom is very concerned about the credit-card debt."
...and what I consider to be the most astute and realistic quotes in the entire article:
"Media is not completely democratized yet because distribution is not a democratic thing," Mr. Crumley said. "We're looking at other ways to make our movie available in these different formats so that word of mouth can take over where we left off."
....
Ms. Morse, who lives in San Francisco, feels some creative people today are too fixated on using film to tell their stories, particularly in a climate where finding a distributor is so tough. "You need a reality check that a lot of people aren't getting," she said. "There are lots of other ways to get your story out there. Right now the convergence of media is moving so quickly."
Ya gotta be realistic about the odds of distribution. I've been misquoting the Sundance stats, instead of 2000ish submitted and 100ish shown, it was actually 2600 submitted and 120 shown according to this NYTimes article. And of those, what, maybe 10 or 15 got any significant distribution? I hear tell that the hot movies are already known to be snagged going into Sundance etc., the screenings are just further media and verification of critical acceptance at that point.
So get realistic about what future your film has. This is NOT AT ALL to say don't swing for the stars if that's what you think it should be. But also consider the paths of cable, direct to DVD, web download, or even podcasts for some material.
And scale your efforts - personally, I'd rather do something small & simple and do it really well rather than something overblown that I KNOW going in I'm going to have to stretch thin on and do a crappy or even mediocre job. Nobody longs for mediocrity - we want to watch greatness. So do something great, but small, is my advice.
Is this entry an essay, a review, a scolding, a recommendation, a sales pitch, or what?
I dunno, man, it's just a blog, and that's the beauty and the curse. It's just what I'm thinking tonight.
But despair not - there's also this article in the Times as well talking about how entertainment spending is zooming up amongst consumers. There's always new opportunities, and more than one way to present your masterpiece to folks in a way that they pay for it. There's theatrical, sure, but also DVD, cable, sattelite, internet download, PPV, video iPod, PSP, Netflix, Amazon, etc. etc. etc.
-mike
(and Adam and Susan, I hope you find a way to find a market for Four Eyed Monster. I really do, I fervently wish you the best of luck on this that you really did so well on)
Comments:
Thanks, Mike. Have an RSS feed to your site in Firefox and come here probably every other day if not daily. And this entry, and others like it, as well as your system recommendations keep me coming back. Haven't found anybody else on the web who 'does it the way you do it', yet. Appreciate your effort. Get more sleep.
Hi Mike,
Got to agree with everything above here. Had some one come in last month wanting me to produce their low budget feature here in Thailand. They wanted to do it on super 16mm, and when I told them they really should shoot on HD instead, they looked like I kicked their dog.
My reasoning, was if you're not shooting 35mm, why bother with film? If 99% of the people are not going to see this in the theater, why not shoot it and aim for a DVD release?
In the end, I couldn't persuade them, they were sure that they needed to buy (not rent) a super16 camera, shoot on film and then "do the festival circuit". As if somehow they would could magically make the millions roll in.
It was like watching a car on a collision course, you know what's going to happen, so I bowed out and turned my head...
Got to agree with everything above here. Had some one come in last month wanting me to produce their low budget feature here in Thailand. They wanted to do it on super 16mm, and when I told them they really should shoot on HD instead, they looked like I kicked their dog.
My reasoning, was if you're not shooting 35mm, why bother with film? If 99% of the people are not going to see this in the theater, why not shoot it and aim for a DVD release?
In the end, I couldn't persuade them, they were sure that they needed to buy (not rent) a super16 camera, shoot on film and then "do the festival circuit". As if somehow they would could magically make the millions roll in.
It was like watching a car on a collision course, you know what's going to happen, so I bowed out and turned my head...
While on the subject of big cost for the little guy, it seems the game development community is also feeling the pinch:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140091.html
With much of the game production now so much related to movie production, (motion capture for example), small firms cannot afford risking even one stale game.
I remember some of my high school friends and I were thinking about writing games to make money. It seemed pretty easy back then. But with today's level of realism.. forget it. You'd have to go broke, or find someone willing to invest the $20-30 million dollars to make it work. Too risky on a new, unproved idea. Best to stick with the well established firms. Too bad for the small guy.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140091.html
With much of the game production now so much related to movie production, (motion capture for example), small firms cannot afford risking even one stale game.
I remember some of my high school friends and I were thinking about writing games to make money. It seemed pretty easy back then. But with today's level of realism.. forget it. You'd have to go broke, or find someone willing to invest the $20-30 million dollars to make it work. Too risky on a new, unproved idea. Best to stick with the well established firms. Too bad for the small guy.
That is a shame, because I did hear good things about the movie.
I think the article brings up a good point: indie filmmakers go a little overboard on actually attending festivals they've been selected for. Sure, you wanna be there for the world premiere in Park City, but is it really worth the money to travel to the Jimmy John Film Festival in Nebraska? Sundance/Slamdance is a no brainer, as is anything in NY/LA - in those places you have distributors attending and/or the possibility of landing an agent/rep. SXSW is cool - but there's only been a handful of films actually acquired there in the 10+ years they've been around.
$20K in festival circuit travel/living expenses?
As a filmmaker, I only go to festivals that pay for my travel and/or a hotel room. To date, I've only made short films, yet I was still able to attend a festival in Aspen two years ago for a week, with my only expense being food & the shuttle ride from Denver to Aspen - the festival gave us a condo and paid for our airfare. On the other hand, we just had to turn down a festival in Switzerland that offered us a free hotel and and half priced airfare because we couldn't really justify the extra $400. Sure, it would have been kickass to go, but would it have helped sell my shorts? Probably not. A friend of mine who showed a short up at Sundance this year got signed to Endeavor agency out in L.A. In
the meantime, he still works his day job.
Best of luck to those involved with the film. And they'll sell it to cable/dvd eventually. Then they can use the buzz they created with
"Four Eyed Monsters" to make somebody else pay for their next one.
I think the article brings up a good point: indie filmmakers go a little overboard on actually attending festivals they've been selected for. Sure, you wanna be there for the world premiere in Park City, but is it really worth the money to travel to the Jimmy John Film Festival in Nebraska? Sundance/Slamdance is a no brainer, as is anything in NY/LA - in those places you have distributors attending and/or the possibility of landing an agent/rep. SXSW is cool - but there's only been a handful of films actually acquired there in the 10+ years they've been around.
$20K in festival circuit travel/living expenses?
As a filmmaker, I only go to festivals that pay for my travel and/or a hotel room. To date, I've only made short films, yet I was still able to attend a festival in Aspen two years ago for a week, with my only expense being food & the shuttle ride from Denver to Aspen - the festival gave us a condo and paid for our airfare. On the other hand, we just had to turn down a festival in Switzerland that offered us a free hotel and and half priced airfare because we couldn't really justify the extra $400. Sure, it would have been kickass to go, but would it have helped sell my shorts? Probably not. A friend of mine who showed a short up at Sundance this year got signed to Endeavor agency out in L.A. In
the meantime, he still works his day job.
Best of luck to those involved with the film. And they'll sell it to cable/dvd eventually. Then they can use the buzz they created with
"Four Eyed Monsters" to make somebody else pay for their next one.
Yeh $20k for festival circuit travel/living expenses is pretty ridiculous... I'm halfway done with an animated feature and so far my total expenses are under $15k... I live in a washroom that is heated by my renderfarm and I eat instant udon and salad... If you have to spend 20k to try to get eyeballs on your film then it probably isnt that great... I believe the underdog has to do something extraordinary to get noticed...if its just so-so the big machine will just roll over you... these days the market is so saturated you really need to make stunning material to be seen as an indie... The film looked ok but it didn't get me excited about seeing it... films like this will probably have to be self distributed on DVD through a service like Customflix or something. Until you really get good through practice your first films ARE practice and should remain in shoeboxes... I didn't see the filmmakers in question filmography but they probably just set their sights too high for an early project.
Hey just wanted to chime in, think hd for indies is a great resource and it was cool to meet you at SXSW. I just have to say people seem to think that we spent 20,000 going to festivals but that isn't true. I think that is implied because the article talks about taking an investment from susan's parents for 20,000, that wasn't all at once but basically that was finishing funds after we were accepted into slamdance, audio mix, a publicist out in park city, trip to park city, SXSW and a couple other festivals we maybe shouldn't have attended but the rest did fly us out. Also we eat noodles too, we are definetely not doing anything in style, except when festivals pay for hotels, those are usaually pretty nice. Anyway, just wanted to clear that up. The other thing assumed by here is that this is over, this is far from over, we are building an audience with our video podcast. To date it's had 50,000 total downloads and we are only on episode 3. We will keep uploading episodes for the next couple months on a weekly basis trying to build an audience for our film. Anyway check out the video podcast at: www.foureyedmonsters.com/video_podcast
Arin - thanks very much for chiming in on my little site here, appreciate you taking the time to comment. And congrats on getting an article done about your efforts in the NYTimes, that rocks PERIOD. Also appreciate your comments about the blog, I take that as real praise after seeing what you did on your own project - you clearly know your stuff. I'll check your site and its progress as time goes on, best of luck to you and Susan, I look forward to seeing more films of yours at SXSW (or other venues).
-mike
-mike
I just came across this interesting older post. And I can't agree with Mike more in his reaction to the producer who said "these kids should feel lucky they're being paid--at least they're in the business." It's a pervasive attitude in the film business, but it's ultimately just a trick to get a lot of smart, hard-working young people tow ork for free. People with skills and talent should never be just happy to be in the business. None of us should swallow that sort of B.S.
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