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High Definition Video for Independent Filmmakers
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Tuesday, December 27, 2005
Pioneer launching Blu-Ray burners at CES next month
Hey all - I'm back, and what better way to dig into this than to share that Pioneer is expected to show Blu Ray optical disc drives for personal computers at CES.
This report is an amalgamation of reports from other sources listed at the bottom.
-on sale in Japan (pending two licensing issues)
-BDR-101A works without a cartridge or shell, single layer BD-R and BD-RW discs
-single and dual layer BD-ROM
-can write DVD-R and DVD-RW discs as well (but what about CD-R and CD-RW?)
-Japanese manufacturers only, end of January for now
-US first quarter (so probably not in Macs announced at MWSF in a few weeks, even though Pioneer has often been a vendor for Apple's bleeding edge optical technology)
-so likely 2nd quarter 2006 for inclusion of US based systems - so much for Steve Jobs' "later this year" quote at last MWSF 2005
-ATAPI interface, "33M bytes per second" transfer rate - that is almost certainly read speed, I'm very interested in write speed, which is likely lower (usually is with optical drives)
-no price quoted
-no stated plans at this time for direct to consumer sales
-this is the first shipping date for a BD-R drive
-DRM stuff (AACS) is holding up both HD DVD and Blu ray.
Mike's Comments: Welllllll.....so much for Steve Jobs' "later this year" comment last January at MWSF about being able to burn high def DVDs. At least Apple has had plenty of time to practice in the meantime. Japanese manufacturer's only for now, and not until end of January, and only if licensing stuff gets ironed out. So unless Jobs wants to really overpromise/underdeliver January 9th in San Francisco, no BD-R drives in Macs to ship at MWSF, or even "within 30 days" as the old euphemism goes about products that ship in 45-90 days in reality. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of a hat with some Apple only deal. Which has happened before. But the licensing stuff is out of his hands - it is up to industry consortia that he can't strongarm. But the good news is that right out of the gate Pioneer is going for a burner, not just a player. I see no support for CD burning mentioned (and they would, wouldn't they, if they had it?) nor mention of reading CDs (which I could potentially see them failing to mention as too minor a point).
Somebody with more time on their hands than I have - go back and check the specs for inclusion of reading CD/CD-R/CD-RW media, please. This whole thing has dragged on so long I've forgotten the specs.
Otherwise, we're back to dual optical drive days - a MegaDrive (Blu Ray and DVD) and a plain old CD burner IF CD burning isn't supported.
But this is all good news - sounds likely we'll have Blu Ray (MegaDrive, anyone?) burners in Macs by this summer.
Sources:
Macworld: News: Pioneer to launch Blu-ray Disc drive in January
Pioneer Prepares to Launch Blu-ray Disc Drive (from Yahoo! News)
This report is an amalgamation of reports from other sources listed at the bottom.
-on sale in Japan (pending two licensing issues)
-BDR-101A works without a cartridge or shell, single layer BD-R and BD-RW discs
-single and dual layer BD-ROM
-can write DVD-R and DVD-RW discs as well (but what about CD-R and CD-RW?)
-Japanese manufacturers only, end of January for now
-US first quarter (so probably not in Macs announced at MWSF in a few weeks, even though Pioneer has often been a vendor for Apple's bleeding edge optical technology)
-so likely 2nd quarter 2006 for inclusion of US based systems - so much for Steve Jobs' "later this year" quote at last MWSF 2005
-ATAPI interface, "33M bytes per second" transfer rate - that is almost certainly read speed, I'm very interested in write speed, which is likely lower (usually is with optical drives)
-no price quoted
-no stated plans at this time for direct to consumer sales
-this is the first shipping date for a BD-R drive
-DRM stuff (AACS) is holding up both HD DVD and Blu ray.
Mike's Comments: Welllllll.....so much for Steve Jobs' "later this year" comment last January at MWSF about being able to burn high def DVDs. At least Apple has had plenty of time to practice in the meantime. Japanese manufacturer's only for now, and not until end of January, and only if licensing stuff gets ironed out. So unless Jobs wants to really overpromise/underdeliver January 9th in San Francisco, no BD-R drives in Macs to ship at MWSF, or even "within 30 days" as the old euphemism goes about products that ship in 45-90 days in reality. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of a hat with some Apple only deal. Which has happened before. But the licensing stuff is out of his hands - it is up to industry consortia that he can't strongarm. But the good news is that right out of the gate Pioneer is going for a burner, not just a player. I see no support for CD burning mentioned (and they would, wouldn't they, if they had it?) nor mention of reading CDs (which I could potentially see them failing to mention as too minor a point).
Somebody with more time on their hands than I have - go back and check the specs for inclusion of reading CD/CD-R/CD-RW media, please. This whole thing has dragged on so long I've forgotten the specs.
Otherwise, we're back to dual optical drive days - a MegaDrive (Blu Ray and DVD) and a plain old CD burner IF CD burning isn't supported.
But this is all good news - sounds likely we'll have Blu Ray (MegaDrive, anyone?) burners in Macs by this summer.
Sources:
Macworld: News: Pioneer to launch Blu-ray Disc drive in January
Pioneer Prepares to Launch Blu-ray Disc Drive (from Yahoo! News)
Comments:
I believe apple will stick with their "Superdrive" name. The whole idea behind it is that it's the only drive you need and the only mac that ever had an option for another internal optical drive was the MDD & MDD FW800. I'm sure it's something they just looked over, if it can read and write red lazer DVDs, I'm sure CDs are included. I actually think Apple will wait until the first Intel Power Macs to release these drives. They were bleeding edge with the 733MHZ G4 with a Superdrive but since then, Apple has been completely behind on the latest and greatest optical drives. I can definately see consumers jumping on the Intel bandwagon if that's how they can get a Blu-ray drive for their mac. Also blu-ray disks cna showcases full 1080P, which you need a 23 inch or greater display. That's prodominantly the Power Mac user. Although I can see a 23 inch iMac coming out eventually with Blu-ray built in. I'm not quite sure of the hardware needed to burn Blu-ray disks, as you needed a 733 G4 for DVDs. Maybe someone else has more detail on this fact. Regardless I'm excited even if Steve just mentions that macs will soon feature blu-ray drives in 2006. I'd love to be able to throw one in my empty optical slot in my MDD.
I think consumers will be happy with "HD" regardless of true resolution and not get into the specs that far. Considering thefact that Varicam is only 960x720, I think Apple could have a 1280x720 (or 800) pixel screen and 960x720 movies and people would be thrilled. Full on 1080p is great, but consumers may not be that smart/picky about it, especially if you note that displays for the home have only recently been able to show a true 1080p signal in all its pixel glory in the last year or two at a sub $10K (or $8K, or $5K) price point. I haven't kept up on the research - what's cheapest full 1920x1080 native pixel res display now?
-mike
-mike
If you're talking about true pixel for pixel HDTV's I don't know of a decent one that's below $5 but we're talking about a consumer internal computer blu-ray drive. Sure it may cost $400 when it comes out, but I remmeber paying $400 for a 4x CD burner back in 98. So the cheapest option is a 23 inch Cinema display for $1300. Hollywood movies will be in full 1920x1080 res, that's the main appeal here for me. That i can watch the Matrix on my 23 inch cinema and see every last pixel. The home entertainment market is waiting on PS3 to come out in spring and attach that to their LCD, plasma or whatever kind of HDTV they have, even though most can only do full 720 and don't come near full 1080. As for burning blu-ray movies from your own work, most of that will be done in 720 since like you said Varicam and the much cheaper HVX-200 can only do true 720. If you're talking about Apples own HD movie, thats a whole another topic and I think a long ways away. We're still downloading 128bit ACC files and 320x240 4x3 tv shows. I'd like to see apple just bring things up to 720x480 first, considering that full 24 frame 1080P won't run on anything but a dual 2GHZ mac right now.
this is from applexnet.
http://applexnet.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1683
Unfortunately, since Macworld is just days after CES, it is probably much too soon for Apple to begin shipping such drives in the immediate future. Additionally, the drive that will be sold by Pioneer next week can only work with Blu-Ray and DVD discs; it DOES NOT have a laser suitable for reading CDs. In the future, there will certainly be drives capable of reading and writing all three media types, but this early model leaves out what is still the most popular type of disc for music and software.
If this is true, then its a crying shame and most of us will just wait for the second version to come out with both CD reading and writing.
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http://applexnet.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1683
Unfortunately, since Macworld is just days after CES, it is probably much too soon for Apple to begin shipping such drives in the immediate future. Additionally, the drive that will be sold by Pioneer next week can only work with Blu-Ray and DVD discs; it DOES NOT have a laser suitable for reading CDs. In the future, there will certainly be drives capable of reading and writing all three media types, but this early model leaves out what is still the most popular type of disc for music and software.
If this is true, then its a crying shame and most of us will just wait for the second version to come out with both CD reading and writing.
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