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High Definition Video for Independent Filmmakers
A How To Guide for Digital Filmmakers
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Monday, March 26, 2007
Official Details of new Adobe Video Products OUT! Blu-ray, optical flow, more
It is late and I'm going to bed, but wanted to put out a quick note on this exciting topic (thanks to Bruce Allen for tipping me off on this). Update - Mac version 3rd quarter. Drat.
Adobe - Premiere Pro CS3, Upgrade from Premiere Pro 2.0, 1.5, 1 - make Blu-ray discs! Optical flow time remapping.
Adobe - Adobe AfterEffects CS3: Complete feature list - not as much new as I'd have liked. Bummer. But: shape layers, better color management, puppet tool looks interesting and creative; purportedly improved multicore CPU support and GPU acceleration, better disc caching. See this for new features.
DV Rack is now this: Adobe - Adobe OnLocation CS3
So I expect we'll see it at NAB but it won't be shipping from what I've been led to believe, but I haven't read all the news from today.
-mike
UPDATE
The above snippets were snarfed from an email from Bruce Allen of Boa Cinema as we back-n-forthed it. I asked for, and he was kind enough, to send in this longer explanation of features:
Mike:
Overall: I think we all wished for more features than we got here. The value here is in the bundling and integration, methinks. And, of course, it all being Intel-native if you're on Mac.
Premiere Pro CS3: - now works on Macs too (Intel only) - smoother time re-maps (using optical flow morphing, probably the same technology used in After Effects, which is from The Foundry) - supposedly some workflow improvements, doesn't look like anything too major DOWNSIDES: No mention of realtime multiple formats on the same timeline or anything like that. It's still behind Avid and FCP for editing, IMHO. That's sad, because with Premiere's ability to export the project intact to After Effects, you have a nice solution for doing a high-quality finish of your Premiere Pro project at minimal cost.
OnLocation CS3 - this is a rebadged DVRack (recap of features: turns your laptop into a hard drive recorder / broadcast monitor with nice bonuses, such as motion-activated recording, pre-record buffers, image flip for 35mm adapters, etc) - only advance is supposedly better integration with Premiere Pro, so you can quickly get clips recorded in OnLocation into your edit DOWNSIDES: The same as DVRack - PC only (Macs must use Bootcamp), HDV inputs have a delay, you can't record synched audio from a separate source and unless you are using a Blackmagic Intensity card in a SFF pc, you are still recording compressed.
Encore CS3: - now makes Blu-Ray discs and Flash. So you can have one project that can pop out a DVD, a Blu-Ray and Flash version of your reel, I guess... DOWNSIDES: No HD-DVD. No mention of more advanced Blu-Ray interactive authoring features.
Photoshop CS3: - fuller HDR support, masking tools, Live Effects layers (covered in the Beta, though) - the Vanishing Point tool has matured and now you can export your work as an After Effects 3D comp when you're done. This might make a nice way for doing 2.5D matte paintings, or it might not. Let's try it. - can import 3D objects and paint on them DOWNSIDES: This seems pretty solid, actually
After Effects CS3: - graph editor sucks less (you can edit x, y, z curves now) - faster - eg better cache system and multi-core rendering (hmm, did they buy Nucleo or do their own optimiziations?) - individual text characters now can move in 3D (great, the titles I did in a 3D program for the Ocean's 13 teaser have been reduced to a Text Animation Preset) - character animation tools and supposedly shape animation tools too. Cute. - the ICC color-managed workflow seems improved over 7.0, which took too long to set up - the Dynamic Link feature debuts on the Mac, which is nice - you can move After Effects projects into Premiere and Encore DVD with minimal rendering. DOWNSIDES: No 3D Objects. You can have true textured 3D objects in Photoshop, but not After Effects? This is sad. Also, the flowchart still sucks.
Adobe Soundbooth CS3 - designed for audio cleanup and recording voiceovers. Probably too weak for anything else, kinda like when Apple bundled PeakDV with FCP 2.0 - has a nice spectral view where you can see your frequencies mapped out and you can actually paint out glitches a la Photoshop (and higher-end audio restoration tools) - supposedly has some kind of AutoComposer scoring system. I don't know how well this one'll work for us. DOWNSIDES: Cannot do multitrack mixing or anything like that.
One big thing I skipped here is that CS3 seems to be trying hard to help filmmakers working on new media / interactive / internet projects. The tools are maturing - I mean, Flash video has closed captioning support now! If you're trying to make a film series that people can watch on their mobile phone or video device, you are in luck with CS3. More traditional filmmakers making stuff for the big screen will be a little disappointed, though.
Bruce
Thanks Bruce!
A few follow up comments of my own after reading his commentary:
-Soundbooth is called "Soundbooth" and not "Mixing Stage" - it seems they are aiming it at what it does OK - working with the human voice, not so much for music handling.
-After Effects - yeah, I would have like some more coolio new features
-Encore - OK, so at the moment, it appears if you want to make HD-DVDs, you're on Macs and Final Cut, if you want to make Blu-ray discs, you're on Premiere Pro on Windows for now, Macs later. The good thing about CS3 coming to Macs is that you'll be able to author either format on a Mac with (presumably) at least decent authoring tools for each. At least, I assume Encore is heading over, I know Premiere Pro is
-Premiere Pro/AE combo - should make it possible to do some really nice high color space 4:4:4 stuff. Bummer no codec & size mix/match on same timeline - that keeps popping up as a major feature we NEED these days. Higher end Avids can do it, Premiere Pro and Final Cut (at present) can't. My gut says both of these latter two will ship after NAB, Adobe first and Apple several months later.
OK, NOW I'm to bed (1:30am)
-mike
also, release dates:
Adobe CS 3: Bundles, shipping dates, prices - ProCreative - Macworld UK: "Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium and Standard, and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium and Standard will begin shipping in April 2007.
Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection for Mac OS X on Intel-based systems and for Microsoft Windows XP and Windows Vista platforms will begin shipping worldwide in the third quarter of 2007."
Adobe - Premiere Pro CS3, Upgrade from Premiere Pro 2.0, 1.5, 1 - make Blu-ray discs! Optical flow time remapping.
Adobe - Adobe AfterEffects CS3: Complete feature list - not as much new as I'd have liked. Bummer. But: shape layers, better color management, puppet tool looks interesting and creative; purportedly improved multicore CPU support and GPU acceleration, better disc caching. See this for new features.
DV Rack is now this: Adobe - Adobe OnLocation CS3
So I expect we'll see it at NAB but it won't be shipping from what I've been led to believe, but I haven't read all the news from today.
-mike
UPDATE
The above snippets were snarfed from an email from Bruce Allen of Boa Cinema as we back-n-forthed it. I asked for, and he was kind enough, to send in this longer explanation of features:
Mike:
Overall: I think we all wished for more features than we got here. The value here is in the bundling and integration, methinks. And, of course, it all being Intel-native if you're on Mac.
Premiere Pro CS3: - now works on Macs too (Intel only) - smoother time re-maps (using optical flow morphing, probably the same technology used in After Effects, which is from The Foundry) - supposedly some workflow improvements, doesn't look like anything too major DOWNSIDES: No mention of realtime multiple formats on the same timeline or anything like that. It's still behind Avid and FCP for editing, IMHO. That's sad, because with Premiere's ability to export the project intact to After Effects, you have a nice solution for doing a high-quality finish of your Premiere Pro project at minimal cost.
OnLocation CS3 - this is a rebadged DVRack (recap of features: turns your laptop into a hard drive recorder / broadcast monitor with nice bonuses, such as motion-activated recording, pre-record buffers, image flip for 35mm adapters, etc) - only advance is supposedly better integration with Premiere Pro, so you can quickly get clips recorded in OnLocation into your edit DOWNSIDES: The same as DVRack - PC only (Macs must use Bootcamp), HDV inputs have a delay, you can't record synched audio from a separate source and unless you are using a Blackmagic Intensity card in a SFF pc, you are still recording compressed.
Encore CS3: - now makes Blu-Ray discs and Flash. So you can have one project that can pop out a DVD, a Blu-Ray and Flash version of your reel, I guess... DOWNSIDES: No HD-DVD. No mention of more advanced Blu-Ray interactive authoring features.
Photoshop CS3: - fuller HDR support, masking tools, Live Effects layers (covered in the Beta, though) - the Vanishing Point tool has matured and now you can export your work as an After Effects 3D comp when you're done. This might make a nice way for doing 2.5D matte paintings, or it might not. Let's try it. - can import 3D objects and paint on them DOWNSIDES: This seems pretty solid, actually
After Effects CS3: - graph editor sucks less (you can edit x, y, z curves now) - faster - eg better cache system and multi-core rendering (hmm, did they buy Nucleo or do their own optimiziations?) - individual text characters now can move in 3D (great, the titles I did in a 3D program for the Ocean's 13 teaser have been reduced to a Text Animation Preset) - character animation tools and supposedly shape animation tools too. Cute. - the ICC color-managed workflow seems improved over 7.0, which took too long to set up - the Dynamic Link feature debuts on the Mac, which is nice - you can move After Effects projects into Premiere and Encore DVD with minimal rendering. DOWNSIDES: No 3D Objects. You can have true textured 3D objects in Photoshop, but not After Effects? This is sad. Also, the flowchart still sucks.
Adobe Soundbooth CS3 - designed for audio cleanup and recording voiceovers. Probably too weak for anything else, kinda like when Apple bundled PeakDV with FCP 2.0 - has a nice spectral view where you can see your frequencies mapped out and you can actually paint out glitches a la Photoshop (and higher-end audio restoration tools) - supposedly has some kind of AutoComposer scoring system. I don't know how well this one'll work for us. DOWNSIDES: Cannot do multitrack mixing or anything like that.
One big thing I skipped here is that CS3 seems to be trying hard to help filmmakers working on new media / interactive / internet projects. The tools are maturing - I mean, Flash video has closed captioning support now! If you're trying to make a film series that people can watch on their mobile phone or video device, you are in luck with CS3. More traditional filmmakers making stuff for the big screen will be a little disappointed, though.
Bruce
Thanks Bruce!
A few follow up comments of my own after reading his commentary:
-Soundbooth is called "Soundbooth" and not "Mixing Stage" - it seems they are aiming it at what it does OK - working with the human voice, not so much for music handling.
-After Effects - yeah, I would have like some more coolio new features
-Encore - OK, so at the moment, it appears if you want to make HD-DVDs, you're on Macs and Final Cut, if you want to make Blu-ray discs, you're on Premiere Pro on Windows for now, Macs later. The good thing about CS3 coming to Macs is that you'll be able to author either format on a Mac with (presumably) at least decent authoring tools for each. At least, I assume Encore is heading over, I know Premiere Pro is
-Premiere Pro/AE combo - should make it possible to do some really nice high color space 4:4:4 stuff. Bummer no codec & size mix/match on same timeline - that keeps popping up as a major feature we NEED these days. Higher end Avids can do it, Premiere Pro and Final Cut (at present) can't. My gut says both of these latter two will ship after NAB, Adobe first and Apple several months later.
OK, NOW I'm to bed (1:30am)
-mike
also, release dates:
Adobe CS 3: Bundles, shipping dates, prices - ProCreative - Macworld UK: "Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium and Standard, and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium and Standard will begin shipping in April 2007.
Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection for Mac OS X on Intel-based systems and for Microsoft Windows XP and Windows Vista platforms will begin shipping worldwide in the third quarter of 2007."
Comments:
Great to see that, as usual, we're getting ripped off in the UK with a price tag that's DOUBLE what it costs in the states (Production Premium = $3259 in the UK).
I'd love to know what Adobe's reasoning behind this is - 'cause it's certainly nothing to do with tax or duty!
I'd love to know what Adobe's reasoning behind this is - 'cause it's certainly nothing to do with tax or duty!
Has anyone read the disclamier at the bottom of The Onlocation website? Very funny.
"Macintosh users require Boot Camp and Windows sold seperately, or a seperate windows based computer"
"Macintosh users require Boot Camp and Windows sold seperately, or a seperate windows based computer"
Puppet tool? I expect that'll get used about as much as Autotrace... Still, about time we had vector editing and multiprocessor support (some have been waiting 6 or 7 years for that). I'd say importing swf as vectors opens possibilities more than Brainstorm which looks like they got a bit scared by Motion's appeal to newbies. As a mac user its more disappointing because I'll have to fork out just for the UB.
Mike, thanks for the mention!
In response to your question, Encore DVD is for Macs too now. I personally like it a lot. DVD Studio Pro often gives me and many of my friends many weird errors while compressing. Encore DVD has a high quality compressor built in and it takes very few clicks to make a DVD that just plays when you put it in the drive (without pretentious / lame menus).
If you have an interview and want to quickly slap your newest stuff on a DVD to show people, I give it the definite thumbs up.
I haven't tested the rest of its features - I imagine its integration with After Effects would make designing (and updating!) the motion menus nice and easy. There might be gotchas somewhere, though - don't know.
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
In response to your question, Encore DVD is for Macs too now. I personally like it a lot. DVD Studio Pro often gives me and many of my friends many weird errors while compressing. Encore DVD has a high quality compressor built in and it takes very few clicks to make a DVD that just plays when you put it in the drive (without pretentious / lame menus).
If you have an interview and want to quickly slap your newest stuff on a DVD to show people, I give it the definite thumbs up.
I haven't tested the rest of its features - I imagine its integration with After Effects would make designing (and updating!) the motion menus nice and easy. There might be gotchas somewhere, though - don't know.
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
DVDSP also has a high quality compressor built in that hasn't thrown an error on me in years, it is also very simple to make a DVD that just plays without "pretentious and lame" menus.
I've used Encore a lot and it's very good, but I think you're comparison is not very justified.
BTW the ability to burn straight to DVD from the timeline in Premiere Pro is something FCP could do with!
I've used Encore a lot and it's very good, but I think you're comparison is not very justified.
BTW the ability to burn straight to DVD from the timeline in Premiere Pro is something FCP could do with!
Mike,
your gut is very wrong on when FCP6 is going to ship and also I know of one feature that we've all been asking for is in it.
your gut is very wrong on when FCP6 is going to ship and also I know of one feature that we've all been asking for is in it.
Bruce,
Agreed with you on Encore DVD. I've been using the Production Studio/Video Collection for a few years now and also used DVD Studio Pro at work for director's reels (our company does commercial work) and I have to say, DVD Studio Pro absolutely pales in comparison to Encore DVD. While I have only limited experience with Final Cut, off it is better than the new Premiere Pro on Macs perhaps then an ideal workflow would consist of editing in Final Cut with DVD authoring in Encore with Photoshop and After Effects/Flash for menu work. To me that sounds like the best possible solution. Only problem is Final Cut Studio cannot be bought in parts yet. So cost is quite prohibitive to go that route. But the integration with Photoshop and After Effects through Encore DVD is simply phenomenal. Also, I have found that working with DSP is quite frustrating due to the little things. One that is particularly frustrating is the fact that zooming in on a timeline does NOT enlarge the area where your current time indicator is! What's up with that? Then you've got to scroll to find it. Or placing multiple clips on a timeline and making a mistake earlier on requires that you start from scratch. The list goes on. Anyways that was my little rant for the day haha. I'm just annoyed by having to use DSP at work all the time when Encore would be so much faster and better.
Yash
Agreed with you on Encore DVD. I've been using the Production Studio/Video Collection for a few years now and also used DVD Studio Pro at work for director's reels (our company does commercial work) and I have to say, DVD Studio Pro absolutely pales in comparison to Encore DVD. While I have only limited experience with Final Cut, off it is better than the new Premiere Pro on Macs perhaps then an ideal workflow would consist of editing in Final Cut with DVD authoring in Encore with Photoshop and After Effects/Flash for menu work. To me that sounds like the best possible solution. Only problem is Final Cut Studio cannot be bought in parts yet. So cost is quite prohibitive to go that route. But the integration with Photoshop and After Effects through Encore DVD is simply phenomenal. Also, I have found that working with DSP is quite frustrating due to the little things. One that is particularly frustrating is the fact that zooming in on a timeline does NOT enlarge the area where your current time indicator is! What's up with that? Then you've got to scroll to find it. Or placing multiple clips on a timeline and making a mistake earlier on requires that you start from scratch. The list goes on. Anyways that was my little rant for the day haha. I'm just annoyed by having to use DSP at work all the time when Encore would be so much faster and better.
Yash
One thing isn't clear -- Does the Mac version of the Production Suite just omit Ultra and OnLocation...or does it include the Windows version within the Mac version?
"I have to say DVDStudio Pro Pales in comparison to Encore" - I wish people would preface statements like this with "in my opinon" because that's all it is!
It's just what software you prefer using I suppose. I've used DVDSP to author about 50 commercial sell thru titles over the last couple of years and I've been very happy with it.
It's just what software you prefer using I suppose. I've used DVDSP to author about 50 commercial sell thru titles over the last couple of years and I've been very happy with it.
Anonymous,
You're right. Normally I would preface with that but I got sloppy ;) Still though, having used both, I can see that both are capable of producing good work yet in my experience and in my opinion, DSP is inferior. It'd be great to see some integration with Photoshop and After Effects although they are competitors so that isn't likely. One thing I find frustrating though as well is the need to draw a button in DSP. In Encore, you make your button in Photoshop and it is then recognized in Encore. Simple, easy, and good looking.
You're right. Normally I would preface with that but I got sloppy ;) Still though, having used both, I can see that both are capable of producing good work yet in my experience and in my opinion, DSP is inferior. It'd be great to see some integration with Photoshop and After Effects although they are competitors so that isn't likely. One thing I find frustrating though as well is the need to draw a button in DSP. In Encore, you make your button in Photoshop and it is then recognized in Encore. Simple, easy, and good looking.
Moving onto other things, I'm not sure if OnLocation is bundled with the Mac version, Gwyneth. I suspect it might be.
fxguide puts their review up:
http://www.fxguide.com/article413.html
things I missed:
- you can paint on animations in Photoshop now
- Vanishing point tool in Photoshop can export DXF and 3DS models
- After Effects now supports 3.5 gb RAM per core on Mac. Of course, that doesn't mean that it'll make proper use of it, though!
- After Effects OpenGL now supports 32 bit per channel 4K (if your card can do it)
- all color management done by GPU
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fxguide puts their review up:
http://www.fxguide.com/article413.html
things I missed:
- you can paint on animations in Photoshop now
- Vanishing point tool in Photoshop can export DXF and 3DS models
- After Effects now supports 3.5 gb RAM per core on Mac. Of course, that doesn't mean that it'll make proper use of it, though!
- After Effects OpenGL now supports 32 bit per channel 4K (if your card can do it)
- all color management done by GPU
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