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High Definition Video for Independent Filmmakers
A How To Guide for Digital Filmmakers
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Tuesday, April 17, 2007
NAB: Red tidbits, coupla corrections and my panel
Hey all -
Check out Red.com for a buncha new stuff on their site, including a TENTATIVE estimated schedule of ship dates:
RED Digital Cinema - TENTATIVE shipping schedule for RED ONE
April - May - Serial #1-12
June - Serial #13-100. (Partially enabled feature set)
July - Serial #101-300. (Partially enabled feature set)
August - Serial #301-550 (90% enabled feature set)
September - Serial #551-1000 (98% enabled feature set)
October - Serial #1001-1700 (Fully enabled feature set)
November - Serial #1701- 2500
December - Serial #2501- 3500
Also has details about how feature complete the cameras will be when, refund policies, etc.
---
Red / Workflow - screenshots of Redcine, which is quite cool but a very different kind of app than I've used before - pieces of a lot of things we've used/seen, but never in one place like this.
---
Also, the Peter Jackson movie should be downloadable off the website they've said, just didn't say when.
==========
Steve Gibby's Part 2 on Red has been posted:Studio Daily | RED at NAB, Part 2
As for my pre-NAB predictions (23 of them), so far it seems I got 14 right, 3 wrong, and 5 are still unknown (wait, I missed one in there somewhere, but whatevs). Just fun to keep score.
Also, Endgadget has an article up I won't bother linking to, since they got a ton of stuff completely wrong. Boingheads said 4K wouldn't work at first on the cameras - totally backwards - the first X# of cameras will ship only shooting 4K Redcode RAW and won't have the lesser RGB modes enabled. Other details incorrect as well. Feh.
That said, oopsie, a few things I've gotten wrong the last few days:
1.) Final Cut Studio 2 will NOT ship at first with Redcode RAW support - so Final Cut Pro 6.0.0 won't have it, but a future release will. Perhaps a 6.0.x or 6.x version. There is no official timetable for when, for now consider it like the "technology previews" of past when format support was shown at NAB in a demonstration and then shown some months later. New tidbits - there's also a transcode straight to ProResHD422 (regular or high quality) import module (DAMN handy), and a FX plugin that lets you color correct in Final Cut Pro with all the controls you have in Redcine - so you can directly manipulate the 12 bit RAW data in a 32 bit space, and delivers it back to timeline in...whatever timeline stuff is. Kewl.
2.) I got the Red Prime Lenses wrong in a previous post - they are actually 15mm f2.8, 25mm f1.9, 35mm f1.9, 50mm f1.9, 85mm f1.9
More to come, Day Two in the booth starts in a few hours. I'm working on my presentation stuff for my panel on Wednesday:
WED
2:00 - 3:15pm
Digital Delivery from Cinema to the Web
The DCI has finally set standards for transmission and delivery of digital content to theaters. But with podcasting, YouTube© and other venues now available, what is involved with encoding, encryption and the various aspects of the digital delivery of HD video content? Together we will explore this whole process.
Check out Red.com for a buncha new stuff on their site, including a TENTATIVE estimated schedule of ship dates:
RED Digital Cinema - TENTATIVE shipping schedule for RED ONE
April - May - Serial #1-12
June - Serial #13-100. (Partially enabled feature set)
July - Serial #101-300. (Partially enabled feature set)
August - Serial #301-550 (90% enabled feature set)
September - Serial #551-1000 (98% enabled feature set)
October - Serial #1001-1700 (Fully enabled feature set)
November - Serial #1701- 2500
December - Serial #2501- 3500
Also has details about how feature complete the cameras will be when, refund policies, etc.
---
Red / Workflow - screenshots of Redcine, which is quite cool but a very different kind of app than I've used before - pieces of a lot of things we've used/seen, but never in one place like this.
---
Also, the Peter Jackson movie should be downloadable off the website they've said, just didn't say when.
==========
Steve Gibby's Part 2 on Red has been posted:Studio Daily | RED at NAB, Part 2
As for my pre-NAB predictions (23 of them), so far it seems I got 14 right, 3 wrong, and 5 are still unknown (wait, I missed one in there somewhere, but whatevs). Just fun to keep score.
Also, Endgadget has an article up I won't bother linking to, since they got a ton of stuff completely wrong. Boingheads said 4K wouldn't work at first on the cameras - totally backwards - the first X# of cameras will ship only shooting 4K Redcode RAW and won't have the lesser RGB modes enabled. Other details incorrect as well. Feh.
That said, oopsie, a few things I've gotten wrong the last few days:
1.) Final Cut Studio 2 will NOT ship at first with Redcode RAW support - so Final Cut Pro 6.0.0 won't have it, but a future release will. Perhaps a 6.0.x or 6.x version. There is no official timetable for when, for now consider it like the "technology previews" of past when format support was shown at NAB in a demonstration and then shown some months later. New tidbits - there's also a transcode straight to ProResHD422 (regular or high quality) import module (DAMN handy), and a FX plugin that lets you color correct in Final Cut Pro with all the controls you have in Redcine - so you can directly manipulate the 12 bit RAW data in a 32 bit space, and delivers it back to timeline in...whatever timeline stuff is. Kewl.
2.) I got the Red Prime Lenses wrong in a previous post - they are actually 15mm f2.8, 25mm f1.9, 35mm f1.9, 50mm f1.9, 85mm f1.9
More to come, Day Two in the booth starts in a few hours. I'm working on my presentation stuff for my panel on Wednesday:
WED
2:00 - 3:15pm
Digital Delivery from Cinema to the Web
The DCI has finally set standards for transmission and delivery of digital content to theaters. But with podcasting, YouTube© and other venues now available, what is involved with encoding, encryption and the various aspects of the digital delivery of HD video content? Together we will explore this whole process.
Comments:
As for the
"Peter Jackson movie should be downloadable off the website they've said, just didn't say when."
They said (RED) that there is problem with music from Universal and that Peter must put some different one so it take a while than planned after NAB term. :/
"Peter Jackson movie should be downloadable off the website they've said, just didn't say when."
They said (RED) that there is problem with music from Universal and that Peter must put some different one so it take a while than planned after NAB term. :/
Some stuff about Zodiac and RED in a major toronto daily paper.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070417.wgtmovie17/BNStory/GlobeTQ/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070417.wgtmovie17/BNStory/GlobeTQ/
Mike,
You shouldn't be too critical of Engadget for getting some details wrong.
We all make mistakes.
Like last Friday, in your Pre-NAB blogwad where you parenthetically note that the Canon HV20 shoots 24f rather than real 24p.
Eh, it happens. ;)
Great reporting from NAB, btw.
Especially on RED and the Final Cut Studio details.
You shouldn't be too critical of Engadget for getting some details wrong.
We all make mistakes.
Like last Friday, in your Pre-NAB blogwad where you parenthetically note that the Canon HV20 shoots 24f rather than real 24p.
Eh, it happens. ;)
Great reporting from NAB, btw.
Especially on RED and the Final Cut Studio details.
Mike, any news if FCP supports >8 bit processing in RGB. This is a pretty important question, I think.
Thanks for the quick updates!
Thanks for the quick updates!
Wow. That Globe and Mail article gets a lot wrong with its statements on RED and HD. Sheesh these guys should get somebody like Mike to write for them as he actually knows what he's talking about. Tech reporters should never write on high end HD/digital cinema. Ugh.
Yash
Yash
Jim Jannard has stated that all lenses Red release will incorporate S/i Cooke technology, even if the cameras is not immediately able to take advantage of it.
Mike
Can you learn to what extend the camera will be partially functional?
This is serious because someone may buy the camera for the specific functionality and may want to delay the purchase until the camera is fully working.
Also is not very professional of the Red Company to sell a product below advertised specifications just to meet expected day of delivery. Actually I think is illegal.
Can you learn to what extend the camera will be partially functional?
This is serious because someone may buy the camera for the specific functionality and may want to delay the purchase until the camera is fully working.
Also is not very professional of the Red Company to sell a product below advertised specifications just to meet expected day of delivery. Actually I think is illegal.
Dear Anonymous,
That's why they said "all specs are subject to change - you can count on it" and have now announced that "all deposits refundable... with interest!"
I don't think there will be many (any?) people wanting their money back though.
I say this as someone who was initially skeptical like you, then became curious, then became convinced. Sadly, I didn't (and still don't) have the cash for a Red. But that doesn't mean I can't be impressed.
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
That's why they said "all specs are subject to change - you can count on it" and have now announced that "all deposits refundable... with interest!"
I don't think there will be many (any?) people wanting their money back though.
I say this as someone who was initially skeptical like you, then became curious, then became convinced. Sadly, I didn't (and still don't) have the cash for a Red. But that doesn't mean I can't be impressed.
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
Dear Bruce
When I learned who Jannard is I was convinced that the camera will be delivered. I still don't think that a highly compressed 4K camera with serious workflow issues - no native editng, no 4K archiving solution for your original footage and no established after sales technical support - is more suitable for Indie filmmaking than a comparable priced HD camera with the above issues solved.
After all no one will be judgmental if an indie film does not sport 4K resolution when he accepts HD resolution for Hollywood blockbasters like Superman and StarWars.
When I learned who Jannard is I was convinced that the camera will be delivered. I still don't think that a highly compressed 4K camera with serious workflow issues - no native editng, no 4K archiving solution for your original footage and no established after sales technical support - is more suitable for Indie filmmaking than a comparable priced HD camera with the above issues solved.
After all no one will be judgmental if an indie film does not sport 4K resolution when he accepts HD resolution for Hollywood blockbasters like Superman and StarWars.
Anonymous above - several inaccuracies in your statement:
1.) There IS native editing coming in Final Cut (& Redcine will help convert to native with all metadata intact)
2.) 4K archiving - tons of available solutions - is just data - everything from optical media to data tape backup to hard drives on a shelf. Come on, think a little.
3.) After sales support - no announced plan/service does not equal does not exist
-mike
1.) There IS native editing coming in Final Cut (& Redcine will help convert to native with all metadata intact)
2.) 4K archiving - tons of available solutions - is just data - everything from optical media to data tape backup to hard drives on a shelf. Come on, think a little.
3.) After sales support - no announced plan/service does not equal does not exist
-mike
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