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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Mike's (that's me) review of iMovie 08 up on MacWorld & a MacWorld podcast interview with me as well 

If you look quickly at Macworld's front page, the iMovie '08 review may still be top and center. Why do I care? Because I wrote it!

Here's a direct link to the article:

Macworld: Review: iMovie '08

In it, I go over the controversial changes in Apple's consumer video application, which for our purposes, boils down to this:

1.) They have firmly pulled iMovie OUT of the prosumer space and pushed it firmly INTO the consumer space. Existing iMovie users using it for prosumer purposes? Perhaps it is time to step up to Final Cut Express - your nearly free proxy for a "real" editor isn't being updated, Apple apparently decided the best use of their resources was to try to make consumer editing applicable to a much wider audience rather than refine the current software used by a minority (but voracious) population of iLife users.

2.) It is way, way different from the way other traditional NLE's work. I perceive it as MUCH more akin to iPhoto for video than a traditional NLE.

3.) However marginal the old version was for pro work, this one is thoroughly NOT appropriate for professional work, for a variety of reasons.

4.) LOTS of features from prior versions are now gone.

5.) BUT....it has some excellent new features, most notably skimming (a killer sweet way to preview what's in a clip), and ultra simple Sharing options to get movies onto the dramatically improved .Mac Web Galleries, with .Mac's new vastly increased storage and bandwidth limitations. So MAKING your movie in the old version (which stays installed if you "install over"), exporting a freestanding movie, then using the new version to publish to .Mac, Youtube (3 clicks!). MacWorld doesn't speculate, but I do - look for skimming in some future version of Final Cut Pro (maybe next year at NAB? No clue.)

6.) They also support a BUNCH of new formats: aside from DV and HDV that were previously supported (only at standard broadcast NOT 24p modes), now they include support for MPEG-2 (SD only), MPEG-4 (SD & HD), and AVCHD. For Moms, this is great.

If that's not enough, I'm also featured in a MacWorld podcast also out today:

Macworld: Podcasts: Macworld Podcast: iMovie '08 and iPhone hacking

I talk about why I think this makes sense is was a good call for Apple from a broader market perspective, and prattle on about the new, the cool, and the annoying in this version.

I also possibly created a new term - "Mommable technology", as in "This technology is something my Mom could use - it's Mommable."

Read and listen, for today's news.

-mike

PS - working on a Red update since they are scheduled to ship first cameras this week.

UPDATE - forgot to mention in the podcast - you can mix SD & HD & different video formats, in REAL TIME, in iMovie 08, which is awesome - skips all the complexity, just lets you work with it and NOT HAVE TO CARE.

Also, for those who remember my Happy Hilltop - day off in analog land off topic post from a couple of years ago, the sample pics & vids in the article are from that trip. : ) Always fun to get an Easter Egg in there somewhere.

-m

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WTF? Its much more professional than consumer now... you can now have a large number of clips- hundreds rather than the 12 manageable before. You can have multiple projects that reference the same footage without duplicating the footage constantly. You have nondestructive editing, you have real non-linear editing in fact- in the previous iMovie to make a cut you actually had to cut the clip itself into separate files- the clip and the parts of the clip before and after the clip you want.

And you can have multiple resolutions- I mixed SD and HD-- in the same timeline, and you can mix video formats- I used both HDV, H.264 and another random MOV file in my recent project in the timeline... this is stuff you couldn't' do in Final Cut until recently.

Maybe if you didn't use the previous iMovie and only used FCE you might not realize just how limited it was.

But the new iMovie 08 is vastly improved.

As far as I can tell, a bunch of people heard the announcement that apple made it "easier than ever to make movies" and thus conluded this was a less professional product-- quite the opposite.

I literally was cutting together a 60 minute movie with iMovie HD when the new version was announced. I went out, bought the new version and then re-cut teh whole thing-- its vastly better.

I was seriously waiting for Final Cut Express to come out- becuase iMovie HD sucked so much... but now apple has lost that sale because iMovie 08 is so good.

I don't know what crack you're smoking but telling people to stick with iMovie 06 is just really bad advice. Have you ever used it?

Oh, and all the "missing features" people are whining about-- they aren't missing they are in GarageBand-- a sound editing application. Now the workflow is iMovie->GarageBand->iDVD or Movie Export.

Rather than sound being something I had to struggle with, I now have an unlimited number of tracks in Garageband, and can easilyadjust the camcorder sound tracks, add effects, songs, mix different tracks, etc.

If you look at the whole iLife suite for filmmaking, rather than just one app that you expect to do everything (And thus poorly) you see that iLife is now the prosumer version of Final Cut Studio.

Its vastly improved for this prosumer.

And you do a disservice to peopel who don't know better who will believe that this is a step backwards.

Hell, this asinine complaining about this new product has gotten so out of hand that I thikn Apple is starting to think that it was a mistake.

You try cutting together a movie out of 200 clips in iMovie 06 and tell me its better than 08? Totally effing asinine.

Jesus.
 
Jay -

a valid perspective, but my points were:

1.) iMovie 08 doesn't do native 24p, and transcodes a lot of formats to AIC (no native cutting).

2.) It does single field processing on all interlaced sources - thus you lose half the resolution right there. Dealbreaker. Period.

3.) Further dealbreaker - regardless of whether you capture at Full (1920x1080) or Large (960x540), 960x540 is the max internal resolution processed.

4.) Export to higher end tools - there is XML export, but it strips most of the useful info - you end up with clips & cuts and all transitions are dissolves....and that's it - all the other tweakiness is gone - no voiceover, color correction, audio levels, etc. Maybe in a future version.

5.) IF you want high quality processing, you'd HAVE to use iMovie HD 6.

6.) BIGGEST POINT - as I said, it is time to step up to Final Cut Express for a lot of folks - I never advocated iMovie HD 6 for anything serious. EVER. Not in 3 1/2 years of this site, nor, if you read the article carefully, do I recommend it on MacWorld.

If you want to cut for real...use a Final Cut product.

The Media Management - YES, it is very nice, and I look forward to some of those features potentially migrating to Final Cut, MAYBE next year.

-mike
 
Oh, further thoughts - so if you want to use as a library skimmer, rough cut, then export XML to Final Cut Pro - YES, that's a doable thing. The only downside - you're stuck with the bigger AIC, not the more compact HDV.

The realtime mix of SD/HD is GREAT, too - I simply forgot to mention that in the podcast.

-mike
 
congrats on that macworld review;-)

frederic
 
Quick question about using IMovie 08. Is it possible to capture all your material in Final Cut with whatever form of 24p setting that was used. Make a quick cut in Imovie 08 and then export it back out to final cut using xml in a cuts only edit so that none of the files are being rendered?
 
iMovie '08 is definitely intriguing in that it provides a new example for editing. I'm all for shaking things up from time-to-time.

I'm not depending on iMovie being immersed in FCP land, so take that as you will.

I agree with the notion that naming it the same as the old sets it up as the replacing the same previous version when it is in fact a whole new animal. I'm not sure how I would've done this differently either, but it's done now.

In a year I'd be curious how it fares with the target audience of home users with no video skills.

And remember, it will be updated with new features at some point in the future - and that might fill the needed holes for some people.
 
Maybe it doesn't do native 24p-- and all the other issues you bring up are comparing it to Final Cut. But the absurd part of your article was where you said that iMovie 06 was BETTER.

This is a big improvement. Comparing it to final cut is asinine... and I take oyur response to my comments as defensiveness in the face of -- you know I'm right.


Anyway-

You don't have to use iMovies input format to work with your footage in imovie.

I take my AVCHD and use my own processing chain to end up with H.264 (deinterlaced) 1080p video. It works fine with iMovie, though a bit skippy because my MacBook Pro doesn't have the horsepower.

There resulting footage is 1080p footage, not half size. And there's no quality degradation.


Currently, this workflow is better than I can get with Final Cut, who only offers me the choice of going with AIC -- with its insane file sizes and no benefit in quality.

At any rate-- that these are the level of issues proves my point-- that iMovie is a great PROSUMER editor... and that you were smoking crack to say that its only for consumers.

Your beef is that it doesn't do things that Final Cut doesn't even do! (EG: work with AVCHD natively, rather than going to AIC.)
 
where'd I say it was better? Said older version kept footage sharper is all - in that one category, or if you wanted plugins, etc.

can capture at full or half size

Can transcode to AIC or ProRes from AVCHD
 
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