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Thursday, November 01, 2007

Spain RED Shoot Day 2 Part 1: Sitges with Commentary - "Push it REAL good..." 

This is my continuing coverage, analysis, and footage from my Red One shoot in Spain.

On Saturday, we got up and were ready to shoot. After last night's rearranged shoot (Mont Juic instead of Font Magica), we were itching to get what we wanted - some really gorgeous shots.

You can see the photo gallery of production stills here.

Today I want to do something a little bit different from what I've been doing - I had been posting source 4K TIFF files, completely flat and raw and unmodified. The benefits of such are well explained by Stu Maschwitz here, but not everybody is up to speed on that.

I've fielded a few complaints about the look of the Red One footage in Comments on prior posts, my favorite being that it simply looked like higher res HDV. Bwahahahaaaaaaaa.....let me show you how not true that is.

First up, let us take a look at an image from the same sequence I posted the other week:

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Clicking the above will open a 2K resolution JPEG at 100% quality. For the uncompressed 4K resolution, 16 bit 48 MB TIFF file, right click and Save As here.

For those of you just joining this game, these images are best viewed with your monitor set to Adobe 1998 - that's gamma 2.2, white point of 6500 Kelvin. If you're on a Mac, and you haven't done it yet, now is an excellent time to use the Advanced calibration options in System Prefs/Displays/Color/Calibrate/Expert Mode (on).

This is the ungraded, flat, optimized for transfer to DI version of this frame. And yes, it looks utterly flat and uninspiring. And yes, there appears to be a dead pixel at 2833 over, 167 down. Drat. I could paint it out, but that would feel like cheating.

For those interested, it was shot with a 16mm Ultra Prime lens, f2.8, with ND0.9 and 1.2, ISO 320, I processed it at 5600 Kelvin, 0 Tint, and I think 0 Exposure since Jendra nailed the exposure so well (perhaps because I convinced her of the rockingness of the false color exposure tool? :D )

EDIT - DO NOTE - this was shot with not one but TWO ND filters - a 0.9 and a 1.2 - so OF COURSE it looks flat!

But take that same 4K TIFF file and apply some aggressive Curves and Hue/Sat in Photoshop, and voila:

B001_C002_071013_00306_graded


Clicking the above will open a 2K resolution JPEG at 100% quality. For the uncompressed 4K resolution, 16 bit 48 MB TIFF file, right click and Save As here.

For those of you who felt the original images were flat and uninspiring, there you go - that's more like it.

EDIT - to answer those asking, Photoshop changes were as follows - I applied this curve:


....then pushed the master saturation +47. That's it.

Some are complaining (even one guy on the CML, but not indicative of the overall tone there -EDIT - I misrepresented this before, is why I'm rephrasing now) that you should be able to just shoot and get good results straight out of the camera, that all this post software nonsense is gobblygook, and that finished images should fall out of the camera like manna from heaven (after you stand around and tweak on it on set).

For starters, I heartily disagree - the more specific a look you create in camera, the less likely you'll be able to change it later...with a traditional electronic camera. The Red One is really most analagous to a digital film camera - you have a LOT of room to push it around in post, so notes from the DoP in the field are important if not essential to get your dailies the way you want them...if you shoot it like a film camera, not tweezing all the knobs on set.

This is an essential distinction between the Red One and a lot of other electronic cameras, especially the workhorses of the HD world, the Varicam and the F900. While you CAN shoot with those cameras in default modes, if you REALLY want to get the best results from Varicam/F900, you need to have (or be) a DIT - a Digital Imaging Tech. A DIT can get deep into the menus and tweak all the color parameters to get the optimal results off the sensor head, through the DSPs and color adjustments, then recorded in a compressed (and usually shrunken, excuse me, prefiltered) format to tape. INSTEAD...Red One records all of the image that hits the sensor, unaltered (colorwise) but in a compressed format, and any adjustments you make to white point, gamma, saturation,tint, etc. are all recorded as metadata. It is akin to the difference between making a Curves adjustment in Photoshop, and using an Curves Adjustment Layer in Photoshop - the former you're married to your choices and will further degrade the image to make changes, in the latter you can change your mind without damaging consequences.

SO...all that said, some folks are still cranky about wanting to be able to shoot with the Red One and get pretty images immediately, such as out of the HD-SDI to tape for some workflows (like live production).

This is where all that metadata gets juicy. It just so happens that all of the controls that you have in Red Alert (and will have in Redcine when that ships) are exactly the controls, that work exactly the same way, in the same units, on the Red One camera itself. You've got controls for Kelvin (your white point temperature), Tint, Exposure, Saturation, Contrast, Brightness, then gain channels for Red/Green/Blue. (You've also got a curves editor, but I don't think that'll be available on camera). So what I did was do a quick tweak of the controls in Red Alert, which adjusts the image in the same way it would had I dug into the menus and made all those changes in camera - so it is entirely possible to shoot on the camera and get something immediately like this:

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Clicking the above will open a 2K resolution JPEG at 100% quality. For the uncompressed 4K resolution, 16 bit 48 MB TIFF file, right click and Save As here.

This was quick - I spent about a minute doodling with the controls, mostly Brightness, Contrast, and Saturation. You could spend your time (and everyone else's) and their money on set messing with this...or just do it later if you don't have to have it Just So on set. This is by no means a match to what I did in Photoshop with more robust tools, this was just to show that you CAN get a poppy image straight out of the camera (and better than this I might add, I just hacked at it for a minute or so).

BUT...the REALLY juicy bit is this - if I HAD hacked around for a few more minutes in the Redcine software (when it ships), I'd be able to save that look, put it on a CF card and load it back INTO the camera (or all the other cameras running on set) for all the footage they'd shoot until I changed settings again, either by twiddling knobs on camera or mouse click 'n draggin' in Redcine to load a new or modified look.

This was not my most successful in camera simulation, so keep reading...

Next up is a shot of the top of the church. The original from camera, which we could consider a digital OCN (original camera negative), is not terribly inspiring.
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Clicking the above will open a 2K resolution JPEG at 100% quality. For the uncompressed 4K resolution, 16 bit 48 MB TIFF file, right click and Save As here.

This was shot with an Ultra Prime as well at T4, I don't have notes on which one it was nor whether any ND filters were used. Eyeballing it I'd say there were, probably the same 0.9 and 1.2 if I had to guess.

...but put that that into Photoshop:

B001_C004_071013_02474_graded


Clicking the above will open a 2K resolution JPEG at 100% quality. For the uncompressed 4K resolution, 16 bit 48 MB TIFF file, right click and Save As here.

....and you can push it FAR, as you can see here. Would I want to push it that far? Not very often, but you CAN, and that is the important thing. Did I mention I haven't sharpened any of these? At ALL? Sharpening is just adding contrast to edges. Feel free to do so in Photoshop or metric equivalent.

I got this look by applying this Curve:



...and then going into Hue/Saturation and pushing the master saturation 34 units, then applying this custom push in the cyans (note the widened/tweaked range):



For those who want snappy right out of the camera, here's that option as well. All image adjustments (except for the watermark, obviously) were done strictly within Red Alert by manipulating the controls in the exact same way you could/would on camera. So you could be rolling this kind of color if you wanted to out the HD-SDI (just not at this resolution, of course!):

B001_C004_071013_02474_Red Alert Graded


Clicking the above will open a 2K resolution JPEG at 100% quality. For the uncompressed 4K resolution, 16 bit 48 MB TIFF file, right click and Save As here.

The big picture is this: Even though these source images look flat and uninspiring, in a way that is GOOD - that means you have a LOT of room to push them around in post to get them where you want to go. This means you are less concerned than you otherwise might be about clipped highlights or muddy shadows, and that if you want to add a lot of saturation, you CAN, without having the image come apart like wet Kleenex in your grading app in a sea of mosquito noise and blocking artifacts. Open that source 4K image up in Photoshop and start going nuts with it. Then open up an image from your camera and try to push it as far. See what I mean? Yep. Red One rocks. Or more specifically, Graeme's Redcode RAW codec rocks, since it holds up so well to this kind of knob flailing abuse.

Actually, that's a good place to stop for today, I need to head out.

Thanks again to all the folks who worked on this stuff with me, we dubbed ourselves Equipo Rojo España - "Team Red Spain":

Directors of Photography:
- Jendra Jarnagin
- Pol Turrents, who was also Mr. Connection to hook us up with all of our Spain resources, a VERY special thanks to him

Technical director: Mike Curtis, HD for Indies (me)

Production Manager: Oriol Bramona of Utopic

Red Camera Equipment: Steve Tammi of Otter Creek Productions

Camera Equipment: Service Vision

Production:Independent Film Academy, Utopic, and Service Vision

1st AC: Gabi Garcia

Data management & 2nd AC: Ivan Garriga

Red Postproduction: Utopic

We all learned a ton, and are continuing to learn as I dig through all of this. It is striking how much you can learn about shooting in post production of this camera..and how much (more than usual) you can alter the results of the shoot in post.

This is a good thing.

More to follow, keep checking back,

-mike

As always, I'm available for consulting on your projects, especially Red related projects

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Comments:
Experienced camera operators/DPs/post
guys, etc. will understand the
importance of having a certain
amount of latitude to work with during
grading, so it's almost compulsory
to receive under-exposed photography
even if it looks like a bit drab.
That said, I was expecting the Red
framegrabs I've seen thus far to
look a lot sharper.

--

Latitude short story. We're shooting
a sci-fi short soon and the
director wants a 'Caprica' grade
given to what I shoot and grade.
All very over-exposed and tinted
orange, etc. I emailed a guy in
California who worked Galactica
post-production for a few tips.
He refused permission to ever
quote him on this, but the upshot
was: When the crew were shooting
the first Caprica scenes with their
F900s, they over-exposed experimentally. The director loved
and that's what the post people got
- optionless material which
couldn't be touched
aside from colour correction. And
that's how it stayed. Our chap in
California hated the situation.

D.
 
Darren - they can definitely be sharper. We had really nice glass, a good AC, but a backfocus problem that required shimming that didn't get done while we were shooting.

: (

This is why we recalibrated the lens markings later on, and got MUCH better results when we went by eye or the recalibrated marks.

This is also why Red is on delay (again), fixing this problem.

-mike
 
They (Red) are on top of the problem,
at least. There's lots of eagerness
for RO here, in the UK, but until
there's local support it'll be a
snail's-pace revolution.

D.
 
I think you'll find that the preople posting on CML asking for fixed graded looks from camera are people talking from a theorietical background and not ones who work in any kind of high end cinemaography.

I'm shooting with 2 * Reds at the moment and 4 * SI.

I do find the SI approach easier, probably because I'm used to SpeedGrade!

Geoff Boyle
 
quote from the post: "The Red One is really most analagous to a digital film camera ..."

Huh, that might sound ambiguous. I guess you meant "the digital version of an old film camera" instead of "digital still camera" (which it has also been compared with, when talking about RAW).

Geoff... I can see how the RED ONE loading redcine looks is a parallel to the SI2K loading .look files from SpeedGrade... but apart from the non-availability of REDCINE to the public, would you care to explain why you find the RED approach harder?

Thanks

-Daniel García.
 
Mike, what's the story with the dead pixel - is it a problem on the Red itself? It's bad enough when it happens on an LCD that costs less than $1000 - no way would I want to put up with one on the Red and all my subsequent footage!
 
Casey - dunno yet - it was a problem we couldn't fix for the 4 continuous days we were shooting in Spain, so we just kept shooting. Easy enough to fix in post, but I don't know what Red is going to do about it.

-mike
 
Mike,

Awesome post, I like your analogy of raw+metadata to adjustment layers. I'll just be stealing that one for my next Red conversation ;)

Any chance you can tell us the details of the grading steps you took on those images in Photoshop and RedAlert?

Ian Bloom
 
Very good work. Jendra was DP on Showbread's "Mouth Like A Magazine" video, which is still my favorite music video of all time.
 
just a note--
ND filters do NOT make an image look flat..
they just reduce the total amount of light coming through the lens
same as turning the f-stop down--
pro-mist filters, diffusion, and contrast reducing filters will make an image flat...
as do old uncoated lenses, etc...
 
okay, i downloaded the 48MB tiff, and i see mainly what you are talking about...
the dynamic range goes pretty far ... both highlights and shadows...
and the color depth of the tiff is 16 bit, and the redcode is 12 bit, so you are working with 2 or 4 bits MORE than standard "video" cameras...
--
but the one thing bothering me is the raw image is not using the whole 12 bits of color saturation....
yes, you can certainly turn up the saturation in p-shop, and it still looks pretty good...
---
but i guess the best way to explain is to compare to sound recording...
if you have 12 bits of resolution, but only turn your knobs so you the levels are half way up, you are basically only using 8 bits of resolution and the top 4 bits are not being used...
hence the signal to noise ratio is only 8 bits...
--
and it seems the same with this image/ the other images coming off this camera...

if the saturation is turned down in the raw capture, then its not using all the saturation available ( i'm assuming it can capture a higher saturated image)

you can always turn a highly saturated image DOWN, all the way to black and white, if you want...
but turning up the saturation can lead to problems... banding, etc -- although the 12 bit depth keeps that problem at bay, except in extreme cases...

so it DOES look better than any 8 bit or 10 bit "video" camera... but how does it stand up to a 10 bit log scan of 5245 film??

bill stewart
 
Bill - when we get done with our 4K Lustre grade, comparing to the film we shot side by side on our last day, we'll let you know!

: )

-mike
 
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